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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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masses yeah

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how you doing today is monday april 5th

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2021

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96 days into the new year only 269 days

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we are live we are live

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from a bunker somewhere in the middle of

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nowhere

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but it is beautiful

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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tither to and fro back and forth up

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and down east and west north and south

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far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg r

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a the planets i am your host jimmy

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church what is cracking everybody how

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i gotta tell you

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life is good life is nothing but

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good tonight on the show the one and

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travis walton travis is here with us

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and uh speaking with travis

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over the uh last couple of weeks i

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i was like you know travis

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come on the show and let's have

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a conversation about everything

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and and he was like you know jimmy

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that's that's exactly what i want to do

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that right there i said travis let's

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um how do i say this i've had so many

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and and and and i said this to him

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that's what we're going to do tonight

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in in social media a few things

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that popped up jimmy you need to ask

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travis this and

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ask him about the ship ask him about

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this room

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in time there are so many out there that

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probably know more about uh the travis

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and it's just been done

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right there is so much more to offer

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that is what we are going to do tonight

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now we've got a great week lined up

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tomorrow night

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director filmmaker darcy weir joins us

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um encapsulate everything he's done

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and then wednesday night johnny enoch

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and and i talked to johnny all week

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and he's dealing with his his people out

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information and uh he's like jimmy

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this i said you know what let's just

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a fader night last week well we've got

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we're getting the studio pretty dialed

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the banner goes

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i can't wait i'm going to get all the

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and and get stuff decorated but it's a

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that's our week and uh it's just gonna

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all right now uh really quick everybody

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wants their own crystal skull i talk

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about it all the time

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and i've got a big collection of skulls

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carolyn ford is my source and you need

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to go and visit uh carolyn ford get over

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to the website get over to

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jimmychurchradio.com

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you can click on that banner right there

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and head over to

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einsteinthecrystalskulls.com

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was just amazing

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and this ginormous crystal skull she

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um wow wow almost as big as einstein

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uh it's incredible you need to go and

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check it out and the promo code jimmy

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will get you 10 off of your crystal

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order today all right is that how good i

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right there is that how good a man i've

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been spending too much time in the sun

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megacon banner right there click on it

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take you straight over limited tickets

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it's about to sell out

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fader knots get over there get your

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tickets now you're going to want to hang

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a real in-person conference in laughlin

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we've got food drinks casino ufos

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sky watches um billy carson

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i want to have a seven day fade or not

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the spreaker chat room we have two chat

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the world absolutely incredible that's a

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pulling out of the market after years of

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region one once ranked

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and over the years it has racked up 4.5

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billion dollars in losses now i'm gonna

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after being forgotten in a desk drawer

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for a video game in fact the record

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which was set last july was like a

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heritage auction said the nes cartridge

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earlier this year let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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farrell williams that's right today

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farrell is 48 years old happy

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ghost adventure zack baggins today

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44. abba's agnatha

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falg today is 70 years old

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wall of voodoo front man stan ridgeway

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is

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67 mexican radio

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yep and kid

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kid kid read of kid and play

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today is 57 years old our dead guy's

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birthday today is

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the one and only tony williams

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1928 to 1992 died at the age of 64.

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tony was the lead singer of the platters

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from 1953 to 1960 and many that that

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that

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of the platters it all fell apart right

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after that

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they were one of the most successful

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vocal groups in early rock and roll

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the group had 40 charting singles on the

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billboard hot 100

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chart including four number one hits

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that's right

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it was tony singing the lead vocals on

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only you the great pretender

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my prayer and smoke gets in your eyes

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that's a good song on august 14

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1992 tony died new york of emphysema

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64 years old oh man one of the best one

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of the best one of the greatest

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on this day in history otd 1994 kirk

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cobain

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dies by suicide his body discovered

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inside his home in seattle washington

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three days later

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by an electrician who was there

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installing

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a security system fader fact

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in 2018 the us hit

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a record high of never married

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adults are you one 35 percent of

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americans ages

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25 to 50 have never been

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married that's crazy town

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compared to nine percent in 1970

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now to put that in it just listen to

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this in context

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in 1970 91

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of everybody was married

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that's a trip tonight very special guest

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travis walton is back

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looking forward to this we're going to

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just discuss disclosure

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ufo's et contact abductions

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with his 45 years of knowledge all that

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and more at the bottom of the hour

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tomorrow night documentary filmmaker

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darcy weir

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joins us for the first time wednesday

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night

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it is johnny enoch with his strangest

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i remember when i did a a presentation

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about a year and a half ago

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and uh a large group fun group

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and it was about the need

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that we have right now for leaving this

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planet

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our home you know earth

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and it was pretty well received but

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there were many as i

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looked out into the audience

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looked around that were not really happy

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about the things that i was saying and

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some came up afterwards

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who were a little more than upset you

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know

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and that that it was depressing

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and and i know it was

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because how do i say this so many of us

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just think that

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all we have to do is take a little bit

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of care of our little blue

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gem and it's gonna last forever

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like as in seriously

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there are so many reasons to leave this

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and even if we survive a global natural

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disaster right an asteroid

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a comet strike an actual alien invasion

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or blow ourselves up in a world war

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three nuclear exchange

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right and any of these things could

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happen at any time

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ending all life on earth we have the

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other side

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too the science side

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which says this planet at most

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has about a billion years left

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and that's only if everything is perfect

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if anything goes sideways and you know

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if it does that number could be cut in

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half it could be cut in half again

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or how we manage to survive

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another hundred million years we

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there are numbers out there

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that kind of confuse the issue

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now listen to me that that our son

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will last about 10 billion years for

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instance and that number's out there you

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can go and check it out yourself

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and that we are halfway through that so

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we've got you know

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we've got plenty of time left we've got

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just over five billion years man it's

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it's it's

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forever and it's a big number for sure

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but

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it's totally misleading so let me

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explain and i promise to keep it simple

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our son right now

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is burning a core of hydrogen

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okay stable

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right things lasted this long because

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we're in that hydrogen phase stability

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it allowed us to do our thing here for 5

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billion years

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but it's about to run out not this

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year but over the next billion years

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okay and when it starts moving

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into the next phase we are going to

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experience things that we just can't

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imagine

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and all of it happens way before a

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billion years

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okay right now it's hydrogen

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the next phase will be

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a helium core okay

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that lasts five billion years and it may

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flip-flop some more but that last 5

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billion years is

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a helium core phase and

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the flip-flopping from hydrogen to

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helium

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brings extremes that will well

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fry this planet many times

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the sun will grow ginormous imagine

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being

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outside and the entire we won't be here

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then

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but the entire sky is nothing but a red

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sun as

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far as you can see from left to right

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right

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the temperatures on our planet will jump

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a lot

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boiling the oceans into the sky creating

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an insulation

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to make sure that everything underneath

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it stays

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nice and hot for millions of years

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to the tune of probably a couple of

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thousand degrees

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right so and that just that all by

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itself says that we gotta go

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and we need to start making plans now

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okay and this this period

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of transition from hydrogen to helium

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is something that is going to cause the

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sun to freak out

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it's not going to be a billion years

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now it's not like right now that we have

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a planet to go to

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i get that all right we haven't figured

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that out but we'll find one

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you know more sooner than later i can

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promise you that

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but we have to start thinking about

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building

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ships huge generational

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colony ships uh eric stitt and i were

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talking about this

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a couple of months ago but uh

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big enough for you know a hundred

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thousand people

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each we got to build them we've got to

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populate them and we've got to send them

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on their way

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it's simply not a question of if we

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should do it

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it's that we have to do it we don't have

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a choice

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the alternative is to stick it out here

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until the earth is just a lump of coal

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that is sucked into the sun at some

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and nobody wants that so for the human

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race to continue

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we have to venture out and start

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populating not only our own milky way

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but other galaxies throughout the

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universe

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we should start building our first

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generational colony ship

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now we must start taking the first steps

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now the sun is one thing

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but what if we detected a doomsday type

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asteroid headed our way right

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it's already too late today

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there isn't a way to get five people off

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of this planet and headed out to the

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stars we don't have it

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let alone a thousand or a hundred

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thousand

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but if we had a project started maybe

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there's a chance we

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you know might be able to do something

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when

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and if something crazy is about to go

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down

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i often think about how many

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civilizations out there

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that have you know started and ended

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for whatever reason and how many

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managed to survive their son

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think about that how many survived

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technology we don't even know if we're

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going to survive technology nuclear

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weapons for example

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right how they survived asteroids

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how did they survive their own alien

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invasion

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everything that stands in front of us

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right now

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countless others have already

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experienced it over billions of years

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we are now at that point in history when

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and this is what is so fascinating

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where we are able to not only ask the

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questions

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about the future but we have the

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knowledge

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of what needs to be done you see right

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now

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any astrophysicist will tell you

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our days are numbered sun's not gonna

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last forever

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the transitions that it's about to go

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through

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are gonna be nuts and it's inevitable

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it's going to happen there's all the

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other possibilities that are right there

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in front of us

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that we don't have any control of and if

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something

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00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,400
don't have a way right now to get off

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00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,400
this planet we don't have a contingency

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plan

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let's build those ships right

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00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,080
it's time to start our next great

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adventure

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just like all of those ships 500 years

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ago a thousand years ago started to sail

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out

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and over in the horizon

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00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,000
right to explore that was then

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the next great adventure is us getting

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off this planet

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and that is not depressing that is not

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sad

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that is us and our future that is

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it that is it um uh

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10 billion years from now 5 billion

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years

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after our solar system

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is gone we'll be out there

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we'll be out there we'll be doing our

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thing we need to make those plans now

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all right seriously this is fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church i

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remember when i gave this presentation

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and i was going through the numbers and

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i was talking about all of this and

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and it is fun to think about

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it's inevitable that we we

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are going to leave and and and go and i

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thought it was exciting

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and then i just found out that so many

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of us

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live in the now now and just assume

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that earth and our sun

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and everything else is just going to be

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here forever that is not the case

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it is simply not the case i am your host

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jimmy church

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this is fade to black tonight on this

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program

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travis walton and tonight we are going

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to

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discuss it all that's right

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tomorrow night darcy weir wednesday

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night johnny

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enoch thursday night is fader night

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with open lines all night long i'm yours

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jimmy church you can follow me on

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email is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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tonight travis walton tomorrow night

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darcy weir

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filmmaker wednesday night johnny enoch

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joins us thursday nights another fader

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night with open lines all night long but

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tonight travis joins us

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and we are going to find out what he has

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learned over the last 45 years

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and what are his opinions about ufos

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our government e.t and our community

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tonight we're going to get those answers

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and much more

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we all know that travis's life changed

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on november 5th

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1975 while working with the logging crew

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in the apache sit greaves national

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forest in arizona

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it has been 45 years and i need to find

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out tonight

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what has travis learned i want to

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welcome back

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to fade to black the one and only travis

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walton travis good evening man how are

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you

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before we get started

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um i gotta ask the obvious question uh

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2020.

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uh it was a crazy year how did you get

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through it

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00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,840
everything okay with you and the family

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00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,559
oh yeah

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yeah no problem uh

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00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,799
my son-in-law caught it but he's sick

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like two days and

746
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:21,679
he was fine all right just to

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00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:25,039
i got it i i don't even know if i told

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you

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yeah i got it uh our family got it

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uh back uh during thanksgiving uh in

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2020 and it took me down man

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00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,360
it was it was nothing nice it was

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nothing nice but got through it

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and it was it was really strange travis

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howe

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i i could tell over the weeks that i was

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still running at like 50

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right 60 percent and it took me a while

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took me a couple of months to get back

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to

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it was nuts it was nuts but um

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did you get uh did you get uh vaccinated

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00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:09,599
no but i think i actually caught it on a

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trip

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back from argentina a little bit earlier

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than they say

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00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,440
it was actually escaping from china but

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there was a passenger next to me

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obviously very very sick

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00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:27,599
uh for a 13-hour flight and um

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when i got home i i was down

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in bed for a week and that's very

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unusual for me i

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i hadn't been i hadn't called in sick

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one time in in

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20 years and you've always looked great

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you know

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somebody uh posted a comment i don't

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know if you caught this on social media

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but i didn't said travis has not aged

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i think his dna has been messed with

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jimmy can you ask him if his dna

783
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has been messed with and uh yeah you've

784
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always

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00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,720
looked great and health issues have

786
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,440
never come into play for you

787
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,760
i've been extraordinarily healthy but i

788
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,599
i try to

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live healthy well you probably have

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00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,599
extraordinary skin care products i'm

791
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just saying travis

792
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i'm just saying i'm just saying

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everybody

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you just look great you look great and

795
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:22,079
uh

796
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,280
a couple of times over the last couple

797
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,480
of weeks but

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one of the things that you and i agreed

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on

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was that we've always had these amazing

801
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,599
conversations in private

802
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:44,800
and that never rolled over onto the air

803
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,160
and that we needed to do that and

804
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,920
why do you why do you think that it let

805
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,839
me ask you a direct question

806
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,640
why do you think that it is that

807
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,040
everybody just wants to talk about the

808
00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:59,920
old days in 1975

809
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,960
instead of where you are today or what

810
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,320
you think about the future

811
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,040
why is it that everybody wants to just

812
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,839
go back to 1975.

813
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,560
well with the incident itself i have to

814
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:14,720
just stick to the facts i try not to

815
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,839
speculate and anything that is something

816
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,839
i'm just guessing i try to label it that

817
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,640
so

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00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:23,680
um the conversations you and i have uh

819
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off the air or me just expressing my

820
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opinions and philosophies and things

821
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that uh

822
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you know i've come to on my own that i

823
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can't really

824
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,640
improve them they're just my uh opinion

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my

826
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you know i've had 20 years to think

827
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and so i guess that warrants

828
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,119
a little bit of listening to it but

829
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,160
you know i try to separate

830
00:37:02,310 --> 00:36:57,359
the facts of what happened from you know

831
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:02,320
things i uh speculate or even conclude

832
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:12,550
do you feel that e.t

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00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,400
knows where you are right now

834
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,320
well that's something that's changed

835
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,440
over time you know

836
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:22,320
in the in the early days i thought that

837
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:22,960
maybe

838
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:26,079
my unexpected action had triggered some

839
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:27,280
reaction in them

840
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:31,599
that it was totally unplanned totally

841
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,119
spontaneous an accident actually and

842
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,760
i sort of subscribed to the theory the

843
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:39,599
the anthill theory you know

844
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,800
that uh uh we're so far above and so you

845
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:45,040
walk by the anthill and you don't stop

846
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,000
and say you know

847
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,359
i think i'll stop and have a

848
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,560
conversation with that ant right there

849
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,240
and you know some people think that way

850
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,960
that they're so advanced over us that

851
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,800
why would they even want to talk to us

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00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,000
but um

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00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,280
i think it's actually the other way

854
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,640
that they are so intelligent

855
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:07,520
and um capable of keeping track of a

856
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,040
vast amount of

857
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:12,160
knowledge that i would even go so far as

858
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:13,200
to say

859
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,560
that if you saw one as a child and they

860
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,359
see you again as an adult

861
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:22,800
i would say they they know it's you

862
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:27,839
do you do you feel tracked

863
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,640
well not in not in like saying i'm

864
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,160
special or anything no

865
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:35,119
no i'm i'm referring to e.t itself do

866
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,000
you think that

867
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:39,920
uh they are following your life

868
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,430
well probably but i'm probably keeping

869
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,680
track of everyone you know that's a vast

870
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,440
amount of data you know we got seven or

871
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,079
eight billion people on the planet but

872
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:55,760
um we're talking about intelligence that

873
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,079
is

874
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:59,200
so far beyond uh anything we

875
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,800
would recognize that um um

876
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,480
i mean you know computers give you a

877
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:05,839
glimpse of that the

878
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,880
vast amount of data that they can

879
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,240
um collate and keep track of you know

880
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,320
every person in every conversation

881
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,560
everything that's just what humans can

882
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:17,680
do

883
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:21,040
um i i always compare it to that thing

884
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,280
of

885
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,160
um see how far we've come in the last

886
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,760
two or three hundred years

887
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,440
you know three or four hundred years ago

888
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:30,320
the most technological thing we had

889
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
was fire i mean you know all this

890
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,160
all this technology all this electronics

891
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,000
and chemistry and everything that's

892
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:39,920
going on the medical science

893
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:43,280
is brand new um you know

894
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:47,359
in comparison to um

895
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:50,720
these uh um

896
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:54,000
well you know astronomers uh say that

897
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:54,560
these

898
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:00,880
vastly older than us

899
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,319
and a civilization

900
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:07,440
um progressing at our rate whether

901
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,000
that's

902
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,960
rapid or slow whatever if they had an

903
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,000
extra

904
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,200
half a million years at the look how far

905
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:17,839
we've come in a few hundred

906
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,680
the level of intelligence um

907
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,760
is is something we probably would not be

908
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,680
able to

909
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,720
to imagine because

910
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:31,040
no matter what the technology is the

911
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,230
digest and manage that much information

912
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:41,680
is really the the frontier

913
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:44,720
for any intelligent form of life

914
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:48,720
do you think that we are at that point

915
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,640
where here we are in in 2021 and

916
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,240
certainly we know how far we've come

917
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:57,200
since 1900 you know 120 years

918
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:00,480
are we at that point where we are just

919
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,560
now uh able to understand

920
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,680
the the advanced technology that may be

921
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,480
out there

922
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,640
where we can now finally ask these

923
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,160
questions because

924
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,800
of the technology that we now possess

925
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,920
today

926
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,760
do you think we would understand a

927
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,400
little bit more about et

928
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,480
yeah yeah i agree with that because you

929
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:23,680
know

930
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,200
manage

931
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,400
vast amounts of data is uh even just a

932
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:32,960
few years ago no one would have guessed

933
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:36,720
and this uh budding science of

934
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,839
artificial intelligence uh is a whole

935
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,480
new

936
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,520
frontier that um

937
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,119
i'll tell you what that what the big

938
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,640
breakthrough is going to be it's going

939
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:47,680
to be

940
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,359
the computer brain interface

941
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,200
where you're not punching keys on a

942
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,040
keyboard

943
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,079
you have some way of basically using a

944
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:01,200
computer with your brain

945
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,800
it when when we talk in those terms i

946
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:05,680
don't want to go back

947
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,920
necessarily to 1975 but did you

948
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:12,960
feel evidence of that where that

949
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,480
is where others are we're not there yet

950
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:18,480
because in 1975

951
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,560
you know uh where we were technically

952
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,960
we weren't anywhere close to where we

953
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,960
were going to be in 1995 with the

954
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:28,640
internet in computers

955
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,480
uh 20 years later we were still juvenile

956
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,480
were you seeing evidence of of these

957
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,880
great leaps

958
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,000
um yeah i think so you know that um it's

959
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:43,440
it never ceases to amaze

960
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:46,800
the um the other part of this

961
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:50,000
uh and especially where we are right now

962
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,160
with uh ufos and et and uaps

963
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,880
um and we're gonna discuss a little bit

964
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,800
more about what the government may or

965
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,240
may not know

966
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,240
but do you think that we are being

967
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:03,920
visited right now

968
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:07,440
as you and i are talking

969
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:11,119
i do i really do and perhaps

970
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:14,720
most likely not by just a single

971
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,640
species with um

972
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:21,760
with the other part of this which

973
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,839
fascinates me the most which is science

974
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:26,720
astronomy physics

975
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,839
astrophysics theoretical physics and

976
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,920
what we know about the universe in our

977
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,520
milky way today

978
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,839
we didn't know in 1995 we didn't know

979
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:38,079
about how many exoplanets were out there

980
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:38,640
and

981
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:41,680
numbers are

982
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,960
jumping now and the latest numbers yeah

983
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,520
the latest numbers just in our milky way

984
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,480
are 80

985
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:51,839
billion earth-like rocky plan 80 billion

986
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,240
driver right not one 80 billion galaxy

987
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,280
right right

988
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,160
the numbers that just in our milky way

989
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:04,960
have to be huge i would think

990
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,520
oh yeah and you know and again some of

991
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:09,280
these uh

992
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,640
life supporting bodies are

993
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:15,119
vastly older than us and of course

994
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:15,920
they're

995
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,440
now you know i

996
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,680
hasten to add that yeah there's cave

997
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,720
aliens too but

998
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,079
those are not the ones who are coming

999
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,480
here yeah

1000
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:29,280
all stages have to be out there right

1001
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,680
there's

1002
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,240
yeah planets with dinosaurs yet right

1003
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,520
that haven't

1004
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,640
haven't gotten to where we are today

1005
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,560
and then there's the others that are 10

1006
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,040
000 or a billion years

1007
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:44,640
ahead of us yeah and you know for

1008
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,710
wise scientists to tell us uh yeah but

1009
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,319
it it would take so long to get here

1010
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,680
there's just no way

1011
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,319
that they would um they're pretty

1012
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:00,000
presumptuous that uh

1013
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:05,760
these uh vastly um

1014
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,440
more advanced uh intelligences haven't

1015
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,800
found a way to make the leap

1016
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:15,200
other than just simple uh you know

1017
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,240
newtonian

1018
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,160
physics yeah that's the way that you

1019
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:19,280
know they want to

1020
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:22,400
think that they have the same knowledge

1021
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,359
that we do

1022
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,680
it's not that kind of party they're not

1023
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:26,800
yeah that's a little bit

1024
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:29,760
limiting yeah they're not lighting fires

1025
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:30,160
and

1026
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:34,240
see in that our our technology you know

1027
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,800
we're

1028
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,160
literally burning candles right for

1029
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,319
rockets to get off this planet

1030
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,079
right that's that's where we're still in

1031
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,680
the fire stage

1032
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,760
that you referenced earlier look so

1033
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,680
primitive to them

1034
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:50,640
and you know the the um the the thing

1035
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,280
that

1036
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,119
they came up with in science fiction it

1037
00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:55,200
was in star trek but it

1038
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:57,800
it makes perfect sense the

1039
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,079
non-interference directive

1040
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,920
that space fairing to space traveling uh

1041
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:05,440
civilizations

1042
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,440
would have to draw a line to

1043
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:12,319
not make themselves known to less

1044
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,280
developed

1045
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,200
civilizations i mean you've still got a

1046
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,359
huge number of people on this planet

1047
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,520
who actually think it's possible that

1048
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:21,839
we're the only life in the universe

1049
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,520
and that is so beyond ridiculous that

1050
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,800
to me they're the kooks well and

1051
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,520
and you bring up such a great point

1052
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,640
which is

1053
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:35,680
even on this planet if there

1054
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,319
is a unique culture or species of animal

1055
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,720
that is unique to an eye we leave it

1056
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,079
alone

1057
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,240
we don't go and interfere with that we

1058
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,079
don't want to change the way that they

1059
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,280
we don't want to and that has to be

1060
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:53,359
the way that the universe needs to be

1061
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,400
dealt with

1062
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:57,520
if we go to if we go to a planet

1063
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,359
and we find uh cavemen and women

1064
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,040
what are we going to show them how to

1065
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,040
build a cell phone

1066
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,720
no we're not going to get involved they

1067
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,079
need to go through their

1068
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,040
own thing just like us here it's no

1069
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,880
different right

1070
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:15,040
yeah and the presumptuousness is so so

1071
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,160
ridiculous you know

1072
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,000
we have this thing called nuclear

1073
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,680
weapons that's so such an

1074
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:22,480
awesome amount of energy being released

1075
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:23,040
that

1076
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:32,480
because if these civilizations

1077
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,079
have existed for many many millennia

1078
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:39,119
more than us the mere fact that they

1079
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,920
still

1080
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:42,720
are alive shows that they're not warlike

1081
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,200
i mean

1082
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:46,480
the potential to the power to

1083
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,400
destroy entire star systems

1084
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,680
would make short work of any of them

1085
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,040
that are warlike they would have

1086
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,200
and i mentioned this in my opening

1087
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:01,839
statement in the show tonight

1088
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:04,880
they would have gone through

1089
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,720
everything that we are faced with today

1090
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,800
technology they would have survived

1091
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,160
technology

1092
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:14,640
right they didn't kill themselves off

1093
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,359
like with

1094
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,599
nuclear weapons for instance they

1095
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,079
survived asteroids they survived another

1096
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,280
alien invasion of their own right they

1097
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:26,720
they they survive things we need to do

1098
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,359
those

1099
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,599
exact same things in order to move

1100
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,359
forward right

1101
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,760
right and you know that that brings me

1102
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,880
to the thing of

1103
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,319
you know people are always saying well

1104
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:38,079
if they were really there they you know

1105
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:39,200
why wouldn't they just

1106
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,319
land in washington dc and say here we

1107
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,920
are earthlings you know

1108
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:46,079
um there's good reasons that they're not

1109
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:47,359
doing that

1110
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,359
and it's not um purely

1111
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,200
you know in apprehension that they would

1112
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,280
provoke some sort of uh

1113
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,640
immediate backlash you know

1114
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,680
that our systems would attempt to

1115
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:02,960
destroy them

1116
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:06,880
it's also for our own good our own

1117
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,000
uh to introduce

1118
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:12,720
the kind of technology available to them

1119
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,119
and

1120
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,880
you know that immediately that would be

1121
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:16,800
the first thing people would be wanting

1122
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:23,030
if we had you know active communication

1123
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,079
with them

1124
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,440
and it would be incredibly destructive

1125
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:28,960
to

1126
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:32,240
this this planet and and you know just

1127
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:35,920
just based on um just for example

1128
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,200
um the petrol

1129
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,240
the the oil industry if that was

1130
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,760
obsolete overnight

1131
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,760
whole nations would go bankrupt and

1132
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:50,640
there'd be gigantic revolutions and

1133
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,030
not to mention all the other kinds of

1134
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,720
technology that

1135
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,000
people might ask for and

1136
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,720
it's only it's only good good common

1137
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,119
sense that they're not handing us that

1138
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:09,520
oh here's a brand new box of matches now

1139
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,240
go play

1140
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:13,200
yeah exactly and you know what is what

1141
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,480
is fascinating

1142
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,000
if uh uh to contemplate

1143
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,319
a hundred years ago if they would have

1144
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:22,160
brought us the ideas of

1145
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,000
a folding space or wormholes or

1146
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,000
you know the these id we wouldn't have

1147
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,000
understood any of that

1148
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,520
today with where we are in physics and

1149
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:34,800
science

1150
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,800
we could almost grasp these ideas

1151
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,559
and we've you know that shows you how

1152
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,839
far we have come

1153
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,480
in the last 100 120 years since since

1154
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:45,760
einstein

1155
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,079
uh first brought forward relativity

1156
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:52,000
that's true but you know when you step

1157
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,200
back and look at the

1158
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:56,240
history of humankind and not just the

1159
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:57,200
united states but

1160
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:04,390
we don't we you know our history is not

1161
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,960
really

1162
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:08,160
very encouraging to any uh observing

1163
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,400
species i mean we're basically savages

1164
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,280
uh to the nth degree you know what was

1165
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:17,359
the expression that the

1166
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,040
humans principal activity is

1167
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,800
inter-tribal warfare or something of

1168
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:24,319
that nature well

1169
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,480
we certainly shoot first right

1170
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,520
we certainly shoot first and then try to

1171
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,280
figure stuff out

1172
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:36,319
and uh there was you probably know about

1173
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,800
this

1174
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,880
there's an island off the coast of uh

1175
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,079
india

1176
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,040
uh uh untouched there's a tribe that

1177
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,599
lives there that has never had

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00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:48,240
any contact with any other cultures

1179
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,119
right

1180
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,680
and there was a natural disaster it

1181
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,359
might have been like a

1182
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,119
a tsunami you know some kind of

1183
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,200
hurricane or something

1184
00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:00,240
uh over there so the indian government

1185
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:01,280
said you know what

1186
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,559
let's at least cruise over the island

1187
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,559
in some helicopters just to make sure

1188
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,079
that everything is okay

1189
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:11,280
and they did and you know what happened

1190
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,850
they got shot at with bows and arrows

1191
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,160
[Laughter]

1192
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,880
that's a fact that's just in our dna

1193
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,160
isn't it

1194
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,119
yeah well fear of the unknown is is this

1195
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,960
here to destroy us and

1196
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,280
no it's a natural reflex to want to

1197
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:29,440
survive defend yourself

1198
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:32,480
um i i very often go back to quoting

1199
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:33,359
that uh

1200
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:36,480
there's a french saying um that

1201
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:39,680
um basically translates to

1202
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:42,800
this animal is evil it

1203
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,000
it defends itself when attacked

1204
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,400
and it's kind of a sarcastic uh point of

1205
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,440
view that

1206
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,720
uh people warn at

1207
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,559
each other you know it's that some

1208
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,160
people get the idea that

1209
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,160
to go use force against these other

1210
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,440
people and they fight back and so

1211
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,240
yeah the observers from out there are

1212
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:06,880
watching us behave in ways that are

1213
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,480
very unbecoming have you been

1214
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,040
i don't think i've ever asked you this

1215
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:14,559
have do you

1216
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,920
feel observed by the government

1217
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,839
you know people talk about men in black

1218
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:21,920
and all of that but

1219
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,119
do you feel observed uh

1220
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,319
well not not like i'm more observed than

1221
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,680
the rest of us but uh

1222
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,680
i think they uh keep an eye on things

1223
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:33,839
there um

1224
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,520
i mean let's let's get real the the

1225
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,160
we've known for a number of years about

1226
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,000
the existence of the utah

1227
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:45,920
data center this is a computer

1228
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,920
that involves acres and it is basically

1229
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,880
storing and processing every single

1230
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:55,280
electronic transmission on the face of

1231
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,160
the earth

1232
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:58,480
and this is this is human technology

1233
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,680
going on there

1234
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,599
so they can certainly keep track of

1235
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,520
things that are of interest to them and

1236
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:06,000
um we're seeing more and more that these

1237
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,880
um

1238
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:09,760
i forget the name for it but it's it's a

1239
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,640
kind of a

1240
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,960
thing that can scan for and filter

1241
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,640
things of interest so

1242
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,160
yeah they're keeping an eye on things

1243
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,829
i don't think when you get right down to

1244
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,359
it that if you could tell them

1245
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,800
don't do that um and they would listen

1246
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,839
to you

1247
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:30,160
that that necessarily be a wise thing

1248
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,280
because

1249
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:34,400
other governments are doing that too

1250
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,319
and so um we can't just

1251
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,040
uh stand back and stand down and be

1252
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:42,640
defenseless

1253
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:46,079
do you ever uh have you ever left your

1254
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:46,720
home

1255
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:50,240
and you know saw a van across the street

1256
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:50,720
or

1257
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,319
a dark sedan down the block

1258
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:57,440
have you had those experiences well i

1259
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,480
try not to

1260
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,880
um and get paranoid about stuff but you

1261
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,240
know i've seen some things

1262
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,960
what's up with that and i've also been

1263
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,480
informed of some things that went on

1264
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,680
there

1265
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,280
our government keeps an eye on things

1266
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:11,680
but i don't think

1267
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,520
that their intentions are

1268
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:18,960
necessarily so sinister

1269
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,040
that brings me to the idea of disclosure

1270
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,599
for so many years that people were sort

1271
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,760
of resentful and angry at the united

1272
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,280
states government for not

1273
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,520
throwing up their books and saying

1274
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,280
admitting that they have this

1275
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,400
recovered this material and and made

1276
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:37,280
these um

1277
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:40,799
observations um

1278
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,480
but i always thought well

1279
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,400
is it would it be in our best interest

1280
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:48,400
to do that

1281
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,079
because unfortunately

1282
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:55,200
there are several um nations

1283
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:58,880
on this earth who would love to have

1284
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,640
what our government has kept in secret

1285
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,839
and who knows how much more

1286
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,280
they they've got their own files of

1287
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,160
course so how much are we ahead of them

1288
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:13,440
are they ahead of us i think that's best

1289
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:16,559
kept a secret just for strategic reasons

1290
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,680
so it necessarily might not be

1291
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,400
the best thing if i mean we'd all love

1292
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:24,400
to know we'd love you know americans to

1293
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,520
know but

1294
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,839
we have to take into consideration that

1295
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,720
anything

1296
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,200
that they make public is public to the

1297
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:32,400
world

1298
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,640
and might have some unpleasant

1299
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:39,440
consequences let's take our break right

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00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:39,920
here

1301
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,160
and we'll continue with a disclosure

1302
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,319
when we come back after this short break

1303
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,040
our guest tonight travis walton i am

1304
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:48,480
your host jimmy church

1305
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:51,359
we are going to discuss everything

1306
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,000
tonight

1307
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,000
with travis you stay right there i'm

1308
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,760
your host jimmy church this is fade to

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on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet stay with us

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and you're listening to fade to black

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with jimmy church

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who holds the lucky pony record for the

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best astrological chart since 1963.

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true story this is micah hanks of the

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ghrelian report and you're listening to

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jimmy church on fade to black

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across the globe on the game changer

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radio network and the one and only kgra

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church i guess tonight travis

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walton tomorrow night

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filmmaker documentarian darcy weir joins

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us for the first time

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and uh wednesday night johnny enoch

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thursday night fader night open lines

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all night long tonight travis walton

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and now travis we were talking about

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disclosure right before the break

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and i want to continue that and with

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your definition what's your definition

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of disclosure

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well you know i i've really you know i'm

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grateful to those who uh

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you know there's some particular people

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who've done pushed a lot towards trying

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to get

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the the government to be more forthright

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and uh

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to a certain extent i think they've been

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successful you know in in an appropriate

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way

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they're not going to throw open their

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books so that our enemies you know

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uh have a share of the technology that

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our

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government has managed to gather but

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i think the the government has reached a

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point where the idea of saying it this

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doesn't exist

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and this is all ridiculous and this is

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the the tin foil hat people

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they they realize that trying to

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discredit witnesses

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is actually discrediting them at the at

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this point they

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that to

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keep the little green men thing or

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you know make fun of it it's not

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nobody's buying it so it's actually

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reducing their credibility not the

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witnesses credibility so

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they're leaking some things that um

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are designed to confirm that they're

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aware of this

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without um being too much of a shock

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the releases that have occurred

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have been done in the tradition of

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methods used when they want something

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out there but don't want it to get

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too much attention they release it late

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on a friday

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so that it simmers all weekend it then

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kind of dies down and

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doesn't generate a whole new

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you know explosion of

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going viral or whatever yeah crazy an

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explosion of crazy

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is this disclosure to you

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well it's it's definitely uh

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a peak in that direction and you know

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everything that they're doing has to be

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very gradual

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or it will create alarm you know not for

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people like our

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most of our listeners here you and i but

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there are some people who would be so

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totally

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shocked at the very notion that out of

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billions and billions of stars that were

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not just

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you know i've argued with people you

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know

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um so you think when you go out there

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and you look at those billions of stars

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that they're just there to twinkle in

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our night sky

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you know to kind of a little light show

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for us and

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they with all seriousness go yeah well

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you know

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the common sense of it

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when you've got that many and some of

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these star systems are

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vastly older than us of course

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they are there then the big question

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becomes why the secrecy why aren't they

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just

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making open contact and it makes perfect

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sense

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i think i think you know the sightings

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that we have

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are not accidents you know i've said

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this before you know

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they don't like slap their forehead and

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go oh dang

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humans spotted me again i guess i have

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to be more careful next time

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i think i think these glimpses that we

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get are

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it's a it's a show and you know some of

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the witnesses and

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sightings that people have had it seems

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to me that

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the aliens were actually showing

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themselves to a certain degree

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and they have a way of knowing

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what sort of things might record or

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you know provide too much proof

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and it's always just shy of that

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thing that's going to cause um

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the panic that we're talking about now

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you uh you do so many

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conferences and you're out there

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speaking

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with so many and you also listen to

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other presenters

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as well and there is

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what appears to me and we've done a lot

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of conferences together actually

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there appears to me to be a divide

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it's almost like 50 50 travis where

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you've got

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half of the ufo community

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that doesn't need disclosure they've had

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their own

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form of it and then you have the other

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half of the community

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that anything short of the president

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live on television

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right it's it's really strange

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isn't it when you see this what goes

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through

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your mind and for you what would be the

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next step forward

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or do you even need disclosure

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well i don't but you know i'm observing

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and i

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watched uh just the uh unwarranted

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reaction to

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uh our last president's announcement

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of the formation of a space force oh

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that was so

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mocked with all this stuff about little

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green man and all this stuff

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and uh to me to see that much

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reaction was very shameful because

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you know i i did a conference uh years

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ago

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with a guy and his his job what he did

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was push back against

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hacking and attacking the united states

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online computer and uh what he said is

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it's just me and ten other people in a

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room

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and the chinese have an entire military

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division devoted to this and the idea

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that this is ridiculous to have a space

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force

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to see the idea is you know

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a killer satellite could uh

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be maneuvered into position to basically

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blind us and

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all the artillery or missiles in the

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world aren't going to do us any good if

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we can't

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aim and and you know navigate them

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so it's very important that we stay

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ahead of the game

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as far as um what's going on in space

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just with earthlings so

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to get that much ridicule about

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something called a space force

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i think we really do need to step up our

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knowledge and superiority in that

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category but

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that's a that's a kind of an indicator

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to me how

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full disclosure might not be met

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um and welcomed as much as we do

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listeners of us tonight uh might

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appreciate

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do you think that the space force was

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established

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for defensive measures uh you know

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for e.t yeah well i think there is a

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a area of that because you know well my

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where we've all heard about

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various releases that have been made the

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um

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navy gun camera footage and i don't

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you know care what people are saying

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about trying to discredit that you know

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those are the

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naysayers again um these these releases

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and these um disclosures are

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designed to let us know that there is

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something

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there that isn't ours that's

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better than anything we've got and of

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course we need to

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pay attention at least

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from a strategic point of view their

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their job is to make sure that we're

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01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,350
scenario is it because

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the government knows something that we

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01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:42,960
don't that there is a

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need for the space force that's that's

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the part where

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i i start to get a little uncomfortable

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well i do think they know more than us

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01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,280
but

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you know the presumption that they know

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01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:57,199
everything and they're hiding that from

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01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:57,679
us

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01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,560
i think is going a little too far we

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01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,159
don't want them to reveal

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01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,840
everything they have they know more than

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01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:06,640
us but

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01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,229
how much they do or don't know is it's

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01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:15,760
it's wise that they not

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01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:18,800
disclose that although the

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the recent trend in saying yes

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01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,480
something's there and this limited

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01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:29,520
um release is also

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01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,640
wise uh to prepare people

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01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,400
and uh who knows how long it's gonna

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01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,400
take you know some of us are

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01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,920
more than ready you know we've been

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01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:40,239
ready for decades sure there's others

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01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:40,880
who would just

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01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:43,280
totally freak out and that's why i was

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01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:44,239
so

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01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,719
delighted with this mars lander thing

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01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:48,159
you know searching for

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01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:51,760
evidence of even ancient primitive life

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01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:55,120
on another planet yeah i couldn't agree

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01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:56,320
with you more

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01:12:02,229 --> 01:11:59,600
um the let's talk about

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01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:02,239
this upcoming i don't want to change the

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01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:04,640
conversation where we are right now

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01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:08,480
um but why do you think that

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01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:12,800
the conversation has been military

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01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:15,920
uh sent centered right

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01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:19,040
where we're not hearing from people like

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01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:20,080
you

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or other civilian eyewitnesses

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01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,760
and contactees that were only getting

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01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,520
the military side

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01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,520
because we know that e.t isn't just

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01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,120
interested in the military they

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01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:32,640
certainly are

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01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,440
but they've made a lot of other contact

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01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,120
but everything that is going to be

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01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:39,120
coming out of this report

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01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,640
the uap task force report is uh

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01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,960
military centered why do you think that

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01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:46,159
is

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01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,040
absolutely true and um

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01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,239
um for a number of reasons you know we

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01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,679
have um

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01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,280
commissioned and you know the the

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01:13:02,709 --> 01:12:59,360
taxpayers have allowed the

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military to um

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01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,960
to do these things that there's the

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surveillance and observation the

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01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,239
satellites the

1695
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:11,920
um uh are extensive you know the

1696
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,640
and they're in the best position to see

1697
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,679
these things

1698
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,640
so of course they're they're the ones

1699
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,000
who know the most

1700
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,840
civilians you know from personal

1701
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:23,920
experience like my own and

1702
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:28,080
those of my co-workers you know um

1703
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:31,120
leave us with a certainty that's um

1704
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:34,960
maybe even more confident than

1705
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,159
what the military has but

1706
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:40,400
as far as credibility is concerned you

1707
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:42,640
know from a political standpoint

1708
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,080
these um releases and these

1709
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:48,239
you know this information is being

1710
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:49,280
sourced

1711
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:52,719
from the military probably is is a good

1712
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,760
way to introduce

1713
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,080
and accustom the people get them used to

1714
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,320
the idea so that they don't freak out

1715
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,880
because it comes from an authoritative

1716
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,560
source that uh

1717
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,960
um because you know the standard uh

1718
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,760
rejection of

1719
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:08,080
such a concept has always been well

1720
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,600
that's the crackpots

1721
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:12,159
are saying this so if it comes from the

1722
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:12,880
military

1723
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:16,400
you have good solid uh reports from

1724
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,000
military intelligence um navy gun camera

1725
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,960
footage satellite observations that sort

1726
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:23,920
of thing

1727
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,040
is going to be more acceptable to the

1728
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:28,800
average american

1729
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:32,400
and uh do you

1730
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,080
think that whoever visited

1731
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,280
earth back in 1975 and

1732
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:42,640
made contact with you do you think that

1733
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:49,430
yeah yeah i do i i think perhaps they've

1734
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,000
been here a very very long time

1735
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:55,520
um you know if you go back historically

1736
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,880
you can see evidence that these sorts of

1737
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,400
things

1738
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,040
were being sightings and whatnot were

1739
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,960
being made but

1740
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,880
you know it was misinterpreted as being

1741
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,400
some sort of

1742
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:11,120
of the gods uh you know religious

1743
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,480
interpretation

1744
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,640
we didn't even have something as simple

1745
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,640
as an airplane so

1746
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,199
the most logical explanation for people

1747
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:21,120
that saw these things were

1748
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:24,719
uh to describe them in terms of

1749
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,840
religious phenomena but um it's been

1750
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,400
here for a very long time yes certainly

1751
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:32,400
certainly but i guess what i'm referring

1752
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:33,520
to is

1753
01:15:40,430 --> 01:15:37,600
like that exact ship

1754
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,440
the one that you made contact with in

1755
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:41,840
1975

1756
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:45,840
that that civilization from the planet

1757
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:48,320
wherever they came from their start do

1758
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:49,199
you think that

1759
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:52,640
they have returned

1760
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,679
yes and if um

1761
01:16:02,790 --> 01:15:58,800
if we had at our disposal unlimited

1762
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:02,800
scientific knowledge and the ability to

1763
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,080
cure disease and make everything better

1764
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,920
and extend life i'd say one of the first

1765
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:12,000
things that's going to develop for us

1766
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:13,199
and for any

1767
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,199
living species is to

1768
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:18,960
get rid of this thing called death

1769
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:22,640
that's really inconvenient though

1770
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,840
it's a it's a waste of uh knowledge and

1771
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:27,280
experience people

1772
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,120
who live productive knowledge lives and

1773
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:34,159
and accumulate huge amounts of

1774
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:35,679
understanding and then

1775
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:39,040
proof it's all gone and um yeah it's

1776
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,800
just not fair

1777
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,600
has to start over you know it's just not

1778
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:44,719
fair man

1779
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,920
just not fair um now i okay let's talk

1780
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,040
about abductions

1781
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,360
uh for just a second we can continue

1782
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,719
after the break

1783
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:55,040
uh we're a few minutes away from that

1784
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:56,480
about 15.

1785
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,239
um is abductions because

1786
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:03,199
you again you know you're out there you

1787
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:03,600
have

1788
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:06,640
always made yourself available

1789
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,040
you're always there questions and people

1790
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,199
come up and share their experiences

1791
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,520
you certainly hear from others and give

1792
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:15,440
their presentations

1793
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:18,880
um that number has to be in the millions

1794
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:22,080
right it's just not travis walton

1795
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:25,600
we all know that um do you listen

1796
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:29,040
to these other abductions and contact

1797
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,400
experiences

1798
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,400
to see the correlation and connect the

1799
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,800
dots with your own

1800
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:37,520
yes and there and there are some and

1801
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,400
some that don't

1802
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:40,960
but uh you know just to be fair i don't

1803
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:41,520
believe

1804
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:45,360
every single one is the same

1805
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:48,640
category as what those of us who have

1806
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:51,760
had this kind of an experience i think

1807
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,920
it's it's possible in some cases that

1808
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:55,520
people

1809
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,080
dreams that they

1810
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:03,360
really believe happened but uh it was

1811
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:06,640
something else and uh

1812
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:10,159
um i kind of also devert

1813
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,790
many of the

1814
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:21,990
experiences that are being described in

1815
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:25,600
the the big question

1816
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:28,400
are they good or are they bad and uh

1817
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:28,800
yeah

1818
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:32,000
whole show in itself

1819
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:35,280
we'll try to get some of that in

1820
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:38,880
um now i i know

1821
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:42,239
i mean it has to be the case that

1822
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,000
there are things in uh your

1823
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,120
um encounter that you've never shared

1824
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:51,120
i'm not asking for you to share those

1825
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:52,239
now but that

1826
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,320
things that only travis knows

1827
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:59,120
and you are listening to somebody maybe

1828
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:00,560
somebody's coming up uh

1829
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,400
to you at a conference you know i had

1830
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,600
this experience

1831
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,760
can i share it with you and you're

1832
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:07,280
listening and then they

1833
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,120
say something that only you know

1834
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:12,719
and you hear it from them and you go

1835
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:20,470
has that happened to you yes it has and

1836
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:21,520
you know i

1837
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:24,640
have had these sort of connections where

1838
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,679
i know uh immediately that this person

1839
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:30,320
you know has had a similar experience to

1840
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,760
what i had

1841
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:33,920
and how do you how do you react to that

1842
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,320
are you do you have an immediate bond

1843
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:39,600
right oh yeah there's a there's a huge

1844
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:40,480
empathy there

1845
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:44,400
but uh um and to the extent that i've

1846
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,719
had 45 years to think about it i try to

1847
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:48,480
help them

1848
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,800
see it a little bit from my perspective

1849
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,000
that uh

1850
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:55,280
perhaps i could have saved myself a lot

1851
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:55,920
of the

1852
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,159
um pain and fear and uh

1853
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:02,800
anxiety that i had in the initial years

1854
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:03,679
if i

1855
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:05,840
had understood what i'd come to

1856
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:08,719
understand as time went on

1857
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,480
um how so travis how so

1858
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,120
well i i took it to be extremely

1859
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:17,199
threatening my you know

1860
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:20,239
life-threatening at the time that you

1861
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,040
know i even

1862
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:22,960
called it an abduction you know and

1863
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:25,600
accepted that terminology from

1864
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,960
everyone but over time i've

1865
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:30,639
leaned more and more towards the theory

1866
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:33,520
that it wasn't an actual abduction

1867
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:36,960
that probably wasn't even planned

1868
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:40,000
just got close enough was

1869
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:44,320
injured and then it became necessary to

1870
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:49,120
clean up my mess and so um

1871
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:53,120
i was taken aboard as a kind of a

1872
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,239
an expression of um

1873
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:58,159
how long i guess you could call it

1874
01:21:04,550 --> 01:20:59,520
humanitarian

1875
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:04,560
but alienitarian but you know to

1876
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,080
put me back together alientarian

1877
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:10,000
oh man let me write that down travis

1878
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,360
that's now stolen

1879
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:14,560
but at least i'm admitting it on the air

1880
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:18,639
yeah that was good hold on alientarian

1881
01:21:22,870 --> 01:21:19,040
that's

1882
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,880
it that is that is the new term

1883
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:25,520
i like that well okay let me ask you

1884
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:25,920
this

1885
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:29,679
before we get to the break um

1886
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:34,320
ship comes back it goes to snowflake

1887
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:38,159
the door opens do you get on board

1888
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,080
do you go back oh you know what

1889
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,560
uh i'd like to think i would be calm

1890
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:47,120
enough to take the opportunity to go

1891
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:50,719
and get some major questions answered

1892
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:53,600
but i had an experience a few years ago

1893
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:54,880
where

1894
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,239
um i had the opportunity

1895
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:01,600
uh i had this major sighting

1896
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:05,040
i had multiple multiple witnesses so

1897
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,520
the bottom line was my son said

1898
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,760
should we pull over dad i said no no

1899
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:13,679
keep going

1900
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:16,800
and uh i was surprised at myself i what

1901
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,360
the heck i was thinking afterwards

1902
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:20,880
why then why didn't we get out and take

1903
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:22,960
a picture but i i was too

1904
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,679
too afraid to even let him pull off the

1905
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:26,880
highway and

1906
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,360
take a picture why why do you think that

1907
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:35,510
well was it fear was it ptsd

1908
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,960
ptsd you know yeah some some

1909
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:40,960
fears lurking in my subconscious that

1910
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,679
was much greater than i thought i

1911
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,280
would have expected that i would have

1912
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:46,800
had a better

1913
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:49,120
you know more calm accepting point of

1914
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:49,920
view

1915
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,239
was it because your son was with you

1916
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,239
maybe

1917
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,199
well my son and my girlfriend but you

1918
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:59,120
know turns out there was like 15 other

1919
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,000
witnesses

1920
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:02,960
reporting it just by the next morning so

1921
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:03,520
that's

1922
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,880
i wouldn't have i wouldn't even come

1923
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:06,719
forward about it if i hadn't been

1924
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,400
many many witnesses but

1925
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:13,600
but okay so that was then

1926
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:22,550
i would hope that i would have the uh

1927
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:26,400
um fortitude to go and get some

1928
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,760
um some answers and maybe even express a

1929
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,280
little gratitude

1930
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,440
say thank you what happened yeah then

1931
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:35,520
and for what happened

1932
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,639
after that i didn't ask you

1933
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,719
i didn't ask you before one of the

1934
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:42,320
things and i've just got a couple of

1935
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:43,760
minutes before the break

1936
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,880
and i always joke about whether i would

1937
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:48,000
do it or not and

1938
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,239
i always pin food on my decision

1939
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,880
right if there is good food on board i

1940
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,159
don't want to eat

1941
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:59,040
alien bugs right i would want to make

1942
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:00,400
sure

1943
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,679
and and uh and one of the things with

1944
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,120
your experience

1945
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,360
was that you were extremely dehydrated

1946
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,960
it was five days later

1947
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:10,719
and and i always thought about what did

1948
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:12,320
travis eat

1949
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:15,600
was the food good or did you or did you

1950
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:16,000
eat

1951
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,520
at all well i would love to know but the

1952
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:20,880
medical tests

1953
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,679
indicated that there must have been some

1954
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:25,760
form of nourishment

1955
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:28,880
because of the absence of ketones

1956
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,320
ketones are a chemical that appears in

1957
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,480
the blood when you've been starving and

1958
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,560
you're starting to consume your own body

1959
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:37,920
for fuel

1960
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:40,880
and so that that suggests that they must

1961
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:41,120
have

1962
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,480
introduced nutrients in some form that i

1963
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:45,840
can't recall

1964
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:49,120
um when an alien cheeseburger would be

1965
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,840
like i'd

1966
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,000
i don't know you know would have been

1967
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:54,080
some sort of uh

1968
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:57,199
absorption by osmosis or something

1969
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,520
i don't know how they got that into me

1970
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,639
because i

1971
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,639
didn't have conscious memory of that

1972
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,320
yeah you know

1973
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,800
that would really be a bad vacation

1974
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,920
right if you're

1975
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,920
you're spending light years on a ship

1976
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with bad food

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it would just kill the whole experience

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travis yeah yeah

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so um now when we come back after the

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break we're gonna take a break right

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here but i want to talk about

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it seems that uh well let me ask you

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this uh 60 seconds

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it seems that experiencers and abduction

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cases

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for the first time ever are being

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discussed more and more

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out in the open do you see that do you

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feel that where

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it is starting to to uh to take a

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serious tone

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yes yes and the acceptance you know even

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with serious news outlets you know

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they're deciding to you know have the

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courage to

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just you know tell the facts and with

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without without the tinfoil hat or

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little green men comments and just

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with a straight face you know this was

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reported

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and uh let let us decide what we think

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of it

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let's take our break right here our

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guest tonight the one and only travis

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walton

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tonight we are going to discuss

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everything i

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am your host jimmy church this is fade

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to block more with travis after this

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i promised everyone travis and i would

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talk

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about abductions now

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and uh first first things first out of

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the gate

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is is this an evil plan or

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do we have uh nothing to fear

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good or bad what's going on yeah that's

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a very good question it's one of the top

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ones

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and you know for years i heard so much

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01:31:55,270 --> 01:31:52,560
stuff that this was some kind of a

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tantamount to a build up to the point

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where they were going to take over and

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i i just became less and less

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believing of that point of view that

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01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:07,920
many of the experiencers you know

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01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,679
interpret it that way because they don't

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understand like i didn't understand

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01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:15,920
but um i i doubt that there's

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um some sinister plot to take over the

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01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:20,719
planet i think it would be

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01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:24,400
so easy for a technology that advance

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01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:26,080
that we'd never know what hit us it

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would have been done decades ago

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01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:31,920
so i do not believe that's their

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01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:33,760
intention but that's just my personal

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01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:34,800
opinion

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01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:41,990
whether or not um you see so many

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01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:44,639
some if if somebody you know wakes up in

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a situation where they're

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you know they didn't volunteer at least

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they don't

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01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,520
you see a lot of people have advanced

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01:32:58,629 --> 01:32:55,679
the theory that

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01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:58,639
even when you're taking and and you

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think

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that it is um

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involuntary that you you were you know

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01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:06,400
abducted

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01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:10,560
that on some level you have

2145
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:14,880
given permission uh in the past

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01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:18,719
um i i you know i haven't i'm

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01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:22,159
definitively decided that you know

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01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:26,239
takes care of every every kind of

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01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,960
interaction between these beings and and

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humans but

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01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,310
one researcher who had done quite a bit

2152
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:38,080
of research

2153
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:41,520
in in hypnosis had found that people

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01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:43,920
who thought they had experienced a

2155
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,750
encounter that it was abduction but they

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01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:50,960
later discovered that

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01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:54,480
a medical problem they had was

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that this difficulty this problem they

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had were no longer there

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so it's i've compared it to

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a little child uh going to the dentist

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01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,800
you know no amount of explaining that

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01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:15,120
this is for the best and if we fix this

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01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:16,880
it's going to be better in the long run

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and and this guy is there to help and

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01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,280
make the pain go away

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01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,679
to the little child the man in the white

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01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:25,600
coat is a monster

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01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:29,280
and there's no talking him out of it

2170
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it's certainly not with me when i was a

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kid but i had an evil dentist when i was

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five

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01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:38,719
and dude was just evil man he was evil

2174
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:43,199
um and and now what do we do

2175
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:47,199
there are so many out there

2176
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,320
um and it's too many to count

2177
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:53,440
that want to insist

2178
01:34:59,750 --> 01:34:56,560
that et's are evil this

2179
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,760
is bad and they are you know and then

2180
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,600
you have the other side and they just

2181
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,840
confront and they just want to argue

2182
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,199
this point

2183
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:07,920
that their experiences were bad they

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01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:08,239
were

2185
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:12,239
evil and uh et's don't have our best

2186
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:14,480
interest in mind then you have the other

2187
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,679
side go so far

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01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,520
as to claim that they're not aliens at

2189
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:19,920
all that they're demons but

2190
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:24,000
all i can say is that i don't see

2191
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:27,600
evidence to support that theory and uh

2192
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:31,199
why would the government right now

2193
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:34,800
and it seems to me uh this is

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for my observation that with

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the uaps and with the the navy videos

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01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,400
and the pilots and

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01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,560
that the position right now that has

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01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:46,159
been into the media

2199
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:50,400
from the pentagon is fear it's a threat

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01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,600
it's fear it's a threat

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01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,679
when there's no evidence i don't see

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planes getting shot out of the sky

2203
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,199
i i i don't know of any military uh

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01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:03,280
personnel that have uh you know been

2205
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,159
killed

2206
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:06,239
i don't i don't see evidence of that but

2207
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:08,480
yet they want to push the threat and

2208
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:08,880
fear

2209
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:12,960
narrative yeah i think they do but

2210
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,440
of necessity actually if if we saw any

2211
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:16,960
sort of

2212
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:20,400
technology that was superior to ours

2213
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:23,679
it would behoove these people who are

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01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:24,639
entrusted with

2215
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:26,960
defending us and making sure we're not

2216
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:28,080
annihilated by

2217
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,520
our earthly enemies to

2218
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:33,760
certainly take a closer look at anything

2219
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:35,119
that exhibited

2220
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:39,280
superior maneuverability speed you know

2221
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:39,840
whatever

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01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:43,520
uh things that we we can't match

2223
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:46,719
and so um they're

2224
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:51,040
they're narrowly focused uh maybe even

2225
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:54,320
got blinders on to an extent but their

2226
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:58,159
tunnel vision is we have to make sure

2227
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:00,000
this is not a threat

2228
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,880
and so they have to take that approach

2229
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:04,960
and

2230
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,760
i'd expect nothing less actually i i

2231
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:09,679
don't know that they have to insist that

2232
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:10,080
it

2233
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:13,119
must be a threat but they're interested

2234
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:13,679
in this

2235
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:17,119
in in the sense to make sure it's not

2236
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:20,800
now uh with

2237
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,040
with the abduction uh scenario

2238
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,960
that appears to be going on where

2239
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:29,199
there's way too many

2240
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,719
uh people out there with these

2241
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:32,880
experiences but

2242
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,000
what is the agenda for these

2243
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,639
abductions so many theories are out

2244
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:41,040
there it's a hybrid program they're

2245
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:44,000
they're having kids there's they're

2246
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:45,199
taking

2247
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:48,639
uh a sexual uh

2248
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,239
uh uh you know semen and eggs and

2249
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:55,040
and implanting and growing is is it that

2250
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:56,239
what's the agenda

2251
01:38:02,229 --> 01:37:59,679
for for the abductions

2252
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:02,239
well that is probably the heaviest

2253
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,280
question here

2254
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:06,080
yes you know it is it totally benign is

2255
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,239
are they trying to help us or

2256
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,560
do they have some sort of uh even if

2257
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,840
they're not

2258
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:13,920
design you know if their intention isn't

2259
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,159
ultimately to remove us

2260
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:19,119
and have the planet for themselves if uh

2261
01:38:23,109 --> 01:38:19,760
if their

2262
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:23,119
intention is something that's uh

2263
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:24,880
to their advantage and not necessarily

2264
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:27,040
to ours you know maybe

2265
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:30,880
manipulate um our

2266
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:34,000
course uh so that in the future we

2267
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:35,920
become something

2268
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:39,040
different than what it would be without

2269
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:39,600
them

2270
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,159
but not necessarily something terrible

2271
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:43,840
maybe maybe an improvement

2272
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:48,159
we don't know but that that's that's the

2273
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:51,199
that's the the big question is

2274
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:54,320
um why why

2275
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:57,520
those um

2276
01:39:01,510 --> 01:39:00,400
i was talking to a songwriter here

2277
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:01,520
recently and

2278
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,719
he asked me for just give me a line just

2279
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:06,320
give me some words about

2280
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:10,880
that sums up the thing and and i said

2281
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:14,080
the question of why i know right and

2282
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:16,080
well he was he was very taken with that

2283
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:17,360
uh uh

2284
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:21,360
simple statement there that um that's

2285
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:23,840
i don't have that answer but uh i think

2286
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,480
it's uh

2287
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,600
and believe me i've talked up

2288
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,320
many many people who think they know and

2289
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,159
the people will get in line and

2290
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:35,440
but unfortunately they're all different

2291
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,400
yeah i know right that is so true

2292
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,239
if i could settle on one that was kind

2293
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:44,400
of like unanimous uh

2294
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:47,679
what is the question of why um maybe

2295
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:50,800
that's why i would go ahead and get on

2296
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:51,520
board

2297
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:53,440
to have those questions answered that

2298
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:55,119
would be the ultimate

2299
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:58,960
uh reason for

2300
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:01,520
volunteering voluntarily entering the

2301
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:02,639
ship again

2302
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:05,520
the uh last week i had a guest on the

2303
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:06,000
show

2304
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:09,520
travis and i said something

2305
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:10,880
i don't think i've ever said before i

2306
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:12,560
said you know if they've been

2307
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,040
visiting us for millions of years and

2308
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:17,119
i'm sure that they have

2309
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:20,560
then wouldn't that make us all hybrids

2310
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,159
at this point well yeah

2311
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:26,480
in in the sense that you know we have

2312
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,600
like

2313
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,239
cattle and horses and they're really the

2314
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,920
products of uh

2315
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:34,560
human uh manipulation to make them what

2316
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:35,600
they are

2317
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:38,960
today they their original wild stock is

2318
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,280
far

2319
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:42,560
but

2320
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:45,280
for our purposes it's superior to what

2321
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:47,360
they came from

2322
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,000
i said to somebody uh wants i said i

2323
01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:51,840
think travis is an alien

2324
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:53,590
have you ever looked into his eyes

2325
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:57,440
[Laughter]

2326
01:41:01,750 --> 01:41:00,320
and uh now let's go you just said

2327
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,760
something interesting i want to go back

2328
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:02,960
to this

2329
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:05,199
um that you want to get questions

2330
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:06,480
answered what would

2331
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:08,560
what would the first question you would

2332
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:11,600
have what would that be

2333
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:14,719
right off the bat you know why why

2334
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:19,040
why was i taken why are you um

2335
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,040
keeping your distance why this marginal

2336
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,840
exposure they're way too advanced for it

2337
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,520
to be accidental so

2338
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,920
they're showing themselves to a certain

2339
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,679
limited extent

2340
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:33,520
just i mean to the point where they even

2341
01:41:37,189 --> 01:41:34,800
know

2342
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:37,199
how good the photographic evidence will

2343
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:37,840
be

2344
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:39,760
to the point where they can reach out

2345
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:40,960
and

2346
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:43,520
interfere with any evidence to the to

2347
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:44,960
make it

2348
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:48,000
you know then as limited as they need it

2349
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:49,119
to be

2350
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,280
so that's what i i want to know uh

2351
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:55,760
or we were being conditioned sure you

2352
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:56,719
know

2353
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:00,159
uh humans are as a species

2354
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,199
a bunch of savages were being nudged in

2355
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:05,040
the direction of

2356
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:08,560
um a better way of

2357
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:11,840
a better approach if we can stop

2358
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:13,119
interpreting

2359
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,360
this as invading monsters

2360
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:20,000
that the limit that we are experiencing

2361
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:21,199
in terms of them

2362
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:24,560
just openly communicating

2363
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:28,800
is really of our own making our own

2364
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:31,440
uh lack of readiness are you playing

2365
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:32,639
guitar

2366
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:36,480
right now travis tell me the truth

2367
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:39,760
tell me the truth no i just

2368
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:46,070
i thought how cool is that travis has

2369
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:47,840
got his guitar strapped on

2370
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:51,679
uh during during the interview um

2371
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:54,639
i would want to know i want your opinion

2372
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:55,600
on this

2373
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,679
i would want to know and i'm being

2374
01:43:02,310 --> 01:42:59,040
serious too

2375
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,320
was roswell you right

2376
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:04,880
i would i would literally ask that

2377
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:05,520
question

2378
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,639
i want that is just something i need the

2379
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,520
answers to i would go with that

2380
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,280
um i would want to know where they're

2381
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:15,440
from i would want to know that of course

2382
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,800
and how many times have they been

2383
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,320
visiting us are they going to other

2384
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:20,560
planets what else have they discovered

2385
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:23,600
but i would also want to know

2386
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:26,960
cattle mutilations was that you guys

2387
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:29,600
was that us is that our own government

2388
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:31,199
you know doing this

2389
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,639
you know there's certain things that

2390
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:34,400
have happened on this planet that we

2391
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:34,960
don't have

2392
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:37,920
answers for and i would want to know i

2393
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,239
would

2394
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:40,239
want to know those questions too what do

2395
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,520
you think yeah yeah

2396
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:43,040
that would definitely be nice to know

2397
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:45,199
those things for sure

2398
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:48,719
um going back what would the okay

2399
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,320
so uh why you right

2400
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:54,560
uh you know why did they take you on

2401
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:55,440
board

2402
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:58,239
uh that's good would you are you

2403
01:44:02,790 --> 01:43:59,360
interested

2404
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:02,800
about where they are from well you know

2405
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,080
uh while we're on that um i had a

2406
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:08,960
joking sort of uh exchange with one of

2407
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:10,960
the other crew members you know

2408
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:14,239
um he he was being asked

2409
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:16,639
um well how come you didn't get out of

2410
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,159
the truck

2411
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,920
and i don't know whether he was joking

2412
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:21,520
or not but he said well

2413
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:25,280
because um those of us in the truck had

2414
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:26,800
a stronger mind

2415
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:29,280
that we were able to resist the mind

2416
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:30,159
control

2417
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:34,400
to get

2418
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:37,920
out of the truck and approach and i

2419
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:41,440
said well uh steve

2420
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:45,199
oh i said his name uh that how do you

2421
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:45,760
know

2422
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:48,159
that it wasn't the other way around that

2423
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:49,040
there was

2424
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,159
mind control to keep us in the truck and

2425
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,520
i was strong enough to resist it but

2426
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,159
it's just a joke we had between us and

2427
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:59,679
uh

2428
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:02,320
who knows what you know i'd say the

2429
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:03,440
reason i got out

2430
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:05,119
and the others didn't is because i was

2431
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,480
impulsive and it was dumb

2432
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:09,360
i wish i hadn't you know well you know

2433
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,400
there's always

2434
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,119
somebody like you and a group of friends

2435
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,960
right there always is there's the guy

2436
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,000
that's going to climb the

2437
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,280
tree and jump out of it right and nobody

2438
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:21,679
there's a guy that's going to cliff dive

2439
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:22,639
there's

2440
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:27,760
chooses to do what nobody else

2441
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:31,199
is is crazy enough to do and at that

2442
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:32,080
moment

2443
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,280
it was you travis and you probably

2444
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:37,520
lived much of your life that way i would

2445
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:38,880
think

2446
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:41,920
well yeah i'd done stuff that i live to

2447
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:42,800
regret but

2448
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,880
you know it's it's a good thing that uh

2449
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:46,719
some of those other guys were

2450
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:49,280
more stable than i was you know i think

2451
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:50,080
uh

2452
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:53,679
that he

2453
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:56,080
you know kept it together and kept the

2454
01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:58,320
presence of mind and um

2455
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:01,760
took the crew to safety that was his uh

2456
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:05,679
immediate impulse and um

2457
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:10,080
although um i i i'd like to know what

2458
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:11,280
would have happened had they

2459
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:14,239
not gone anywhere would would the craft

2460
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:14,639
have just

2461
01:46:18,790 --> 01:46:17,520
left and left me laying there or what

2462
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:18,800
you know

2463
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:21,280
would they have taken the whole truck

2464
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:22,000
right

2465
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:24,960
um i maybe they could or take on the

2466
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:25,600
whole

2467
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:28,639
crew or maybe other some other kind of

2468
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:29,760
telepathic

2469
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:32,719
mental telepathy sort of mind control to

2470
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:35,280
blind ever blob black everybody out but

2471
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:36,560
uh

2472
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:40,000
i i am grateful that they did return

2473
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:42,960
and unlike the movie it wasn't just uh

2474
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:43,760
um

2475
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:46,080
one it was all the rest of the crew came

2476
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:47,520
back to see if they could

2477
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:51,040
rescue me do you think um

2478
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:54,080
that our government no no not

2479
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:57,280
not our government any government

2480
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:01,760
is in constant contact with et

2481
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:05,040
communications that's possible you know

2482
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:08,480
but i don't uh buy it in terms of uh

2483
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:11,679
a conspiracy of governments

2484
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:13,760
with the aliens against us i don't i

2485
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:16,239
don't really subscribe to that theory

2486
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:19,119
um i think the only way it could have

2487
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:19,440
been

2488
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:23,119
kept a secret was with the understanding

2489
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:23,920
that this was

2490
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:27,760
uh beneficent uh benevolent um

2491
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:30,639
if there was some sort of sinister plot

2492
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,520
um

2493
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,840
governments are notoriously poor at

2494
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:35,600
keeping secrets

2495
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:39,600
do you think um and i go back to like

2496
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:41,600
the movie arrival

2497
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:44,320
where you know contact is made and then

2498
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:45,840
suddenly

2499
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:48,960
the the the governments of the world are

2500
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,360
keeping their et information to

2501
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:52,800
themselves

2502
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:55,040
right do you think that there is a

2503
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,880
cooperation a back channel of

2504
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:58,000
communication

2505
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,830
well um not to the extent of sharing

2506
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:07,840
what they have although

2507
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:11,920
some governments may be trying to trade

2508
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:15,600
um certain limited disclosures with

2509
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:18,320
our own government you know that's kind

2510
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:19,760
of what they do that's

2511
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,600
uh human nature you know um

2512
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:26,080
we'll tell you what we got if you tell

2513
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:26,800
us what

2514
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:32,320
uh you've got but uh

2515
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,480
it's uh it's more than the average

2516
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:39,199
american with the average a human has

2517
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:40,639
the governments have

2518
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:44,560
a greater amount of that knowledge but

2519
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:47,040
it's it's not everything i'm and i'm

2520
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:47,600
just

2521
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:53,840
giorgio soucolos uh was on the show a

2522
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,400
few years ago travis and

2523
01:49:00,070 --> 01:48:58,560
uh well he's on you know all the time

2524
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,080
but he said this one

2525
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:03,440
thing to me that i just never forgot

2526
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:06,480
and i repeat this quote all the time

2527
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:09,679
it was profound he said jimmy when

2528
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:12,719
e.t gets here and we are able to

2529
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:15,040
openly with everybody communicate and

2530
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:16,400
ask questions

2531
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:19,679
that we are going to find out quickly

2532
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,149
no matter what right yeah

2533
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:30,159
we're just wrong that's kind of the the

2534
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:31,360
history of science

2535
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:34,159
as a matter of fact uh the great uh

2536
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:35,520
stanton friedman

2537
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:38,400
wrote a book and the title was science

2538
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:39,599
was wrong

2539
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:42,880
a whole litany of uh

2540
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:45,040
things over the years where they've made

2541
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:47,199
absolute pronouncements that this is the

2542
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,000
way it is

2543
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:50,159
and we know better than you and it

2544
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:51,360
turned out to not

2545
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,800
be that way at all well i mean some of

2546
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:57,040
it's kind of silly you know like uh

2547
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:01,040
you probably heard the one about uh the

2548
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,719
the uh prominent scientist at the time

2549
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:06,080
was saying that

2550
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:09,119
mankind will never travel faster than i

2551
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:10,639
think it was 60 miles an hour or

2552
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:11,520
something

2553
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,679
because uh all the air would be sucked

2554
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:15,679
out of the conveyance and the occupants

2555
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:16,239
would

2556
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,599
suffocate and this was a guy that was

2557
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:21,280
you know one of the premier scientists

2558
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:22,560
of the day

2559
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,679
so there's been a number of uh things

2560
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:26,639
where

2561
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:30,560
uh they their words uh

2562
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:34,239
were later found to be extraordinarily

2563
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:37,360
wrong the uh

2564
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:40,400
the part of that that i find fascinating

2565
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:44,320
is that um with your contact and you

2566
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:44,800
have

2567
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:47,760
described uh you know the male and and

2568
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,280
the female figures and

2569
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:51,520
and you know they were they looked a lot

2570
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,040
like us

2571
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:56,400
um there there has to be an element of

2572
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:57,280
that because

2573
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:00,560
of science right atoms are atoms

2574
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,320
acids are acids particles or particles

2575
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:06,560
we're all made of the same stuff

2576
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:09,679
right we all come from stars um

2577
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,560
gravity would make us taller or shorter

2578
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:14,080
or what have you

2579
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:17,199
but at the end of the day we're pretty

2580
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,480
perfect design

2581
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:21,040
i'm talking about homo sapiens so why

2582
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:22,080
wouldn't

2583
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:26,320
have

2584
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:30,400
the same basic principles uh about life

2585
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:33,520
that we have right does that

2586
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:34,960
yeah does that make sense yeah that

2587
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:37,840
makes that make perfect sense to me

2588
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:40,639
that you know most of the beings that

2589
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:42,400
are reported are

2590
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,639
uh humanoid a lot of people think

2591
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,239
humanoid means they look like

2592
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,199
uh humans but no humanoid means two arms

2593
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:51,119
two legs a head on top

2594
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,320
uh it's uh throughout nature

2595
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,159
through all of the animal kingdom you

2596
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:58,320
know uh four appendages

2597
01:52:06,229 --> 01:52:02,239
is pretty much uh the the standard

2598
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,239
layout the standard design and uh

2599
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:09,040
naturally two of them were to use to

2600
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:11,119
move around and the other two are used

2601
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:12,080
to

2602
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,119
manipulate the environment had

2603
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:17,520
those other two appendages become

2604
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:18,480
flippers or

2605
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,239
feathers the technological stuff

2606
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:25,199
would have never happened so just the

2607
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:32,070
i'm predicting there was a saying um

2608
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,840
uh i wish i could think of it right now

2609
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:35,520
but the basically the

2610
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:38,719
the design of these bodies on us and the

2611
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:39,599
aliens

2612
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:42,960
is sort of a destiny

2613
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:46,400
in terms of what's going to happen

2614
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:50,239
with the principal

2615
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,280
um means of survival

2616
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,840
and with us and the aliens in spite of

2617
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:56,800
how savage

2618
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:00,480
humans are that intelligence is the

2619
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,159
is the primary tool for dealing

2620
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:06,239
with our and for survival dealing with

2621
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:07,520
the environment

2622
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,599
and any other techniques

2623
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:13,599
flippers and fins and feathers and all

2624
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:15,360
that sort of stuff puts a sort of a

2625
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:16,480
limit on the

2626
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:20,080
value of um intelligence

2627
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:23,920
in terms of survival so it sort of

2628
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,960
set us on a course that a parallel

2629
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,560
course with these beings even though

2630
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:29,440
they

2631
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:33,119
came about on other

2632
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:37,199
planetary bodies now um i asked you

2633
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:39,599
this is many years ago you probably

2634
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:41,199
don't remember this

2635
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:44,719
but i asked you a question uh about the

2636
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:47,520
the female alien and i said i asked you

2637
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:48,239
if she wore

2638
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:51,360
makeup right and and and and i

2639
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:55,119
in a way i was making light of it but

2640
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,719
i'm not sure that you were ever asked

2641
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,040
that question before

2642
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,080
and was there a reason why

2643
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:04,800
she felt female to you you know maybe

2644
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:05,360
she

2645
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:08,880
wore makeup but beyond that

2646
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:12,880
did they look alien to you

2647
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:15,280
you know because we hear about nordics

2648
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:16,639
and we hear all these hybrids that

2649
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:17,280
they're they're

2650
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,480
close and they could almost pass for us

2651
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:23,520
um did they look

2652
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,719
alien to you or could you walk past him

2653
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:28,239
on the street

2654
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:31,599
and they could have uh they they

2655
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:33,040
you know could have run around

2656
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:35,280
undetected

2657
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:38,320
yeah both both you know um to me

2658
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,400
there was something strange something

2659
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:43,040
odd especially about the eyes there was

2660
01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:46,239
uh a strangeness that at the same time

2661
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:49,840
they would pass on

2662
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:53,119
um in a crowd but i'm thinking that that

2663
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:54,960
was probably by design

2664
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,080
that they were either summoned

2665
01:55:01,990 --> 01:55:00,080
because they were a species that was

2666
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:02,000
similar enough to

2667
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:06,000
humans that i would trust them enough to

2668
01:55:13,830 --> 01:55:09,760
stop being so combative or it was some

2669
01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:13,840
some sort of um spontaneous

2670
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:16,880
creation that they came up with just to

2671
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:19,920
get me to stop fighting them so that

2672
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:22,480
they could um

2673
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:24,560
complete the repairs that that saved my

2674
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:25,920
life

2675
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:29,119
so yeah that's interesting uh isaac

2676
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:29,760
arthur

2677
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:32,800
the physicist um said on the show

2678
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:36,800
and it was so brilliant travis he said

2679
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:40,960
look they have been observing us for

2680
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,840
a very long time and if they're going to

2681
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:45,360
make the trip here

2682
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:48,080
they know all about us and the one thing

2683
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:50,480
that they're not going to do

2684
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:54,480
is present themselves in their true form

2685
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,360
because we would lose our minds so we

2686
01:56:02,629 --> 01:55:59,199
would probably see

2687
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,639
an android right some perfectly op

2688
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:05,360
you know but that looks like us so we

2689
01:56:08,870 --> 01:56:05,760
don't

2690
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:08,880
freak out that made a lot of sense to me

2691
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:12,000
it's it's it's what you're saying now

2692
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:15,199
yeah it does make sense to me to me

2693
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:16,880
you know with the idea that i was

2694
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:18,400
totally combative i was not going to

2695
01:56:20,950 --> 01:56:19,360
cooperate

2696
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:20,960
there was no way i was going to get out

2697
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:22,800
of that ship and get to

2698
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:26,480
a situation where a medical

2699
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:29,520
rescue could be affected and

2700
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:32,719
um if it hadn't been for

2701
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:35,760
the intervention of beings that i would

2702
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:37,119
trust

2703
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:40,159
as not being quote uh invading monsters

2704
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:41,679
unquote

2705
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:45,440
so um whether it was something they

2706
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,639
summoned or gathered

2707
01:56:51,669 --> 01:56:50,400
that already existed or something that

2708
01:56:53,669 --> 01:56:51,679
they created or

2709
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:53,679
some people even speculate that they had

2710
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:55,440
actually

2711
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:58,639
created an illusion but i i

2712
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,480
don't favor that theory so much because

2713
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:02,239
the whole reason they weren't using

2714
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:05,360
mind control to just calm me down and

2715
01:57:11,109 --> 01:57:08,320
put me asleep or whatever was because

2716
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:11,119
the energy in that beam just scrambled

2717
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:13,199
my thinking so much that uh

2718
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:15,520
it wasn't working yeah i can only

2719
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,320
imagine

2720
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:18,960
all right no i couldn't actually i'm

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01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,239
your host jimmy church

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01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:22,480
this is fade to black our guest tonight

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travis walton

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2822
02:01:41,430 --> 02:01:37,599
you want to know a secret i love

2823
02:01:43,270 --> 02:01:41,440
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

2824
02:01:45,030 --> 02:01:43,280
i couldn't stay sane without pawn

2825
02:01:48,229 --> 02:01:45,040
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2826
02:01:49,189 --> 02:01:48,239
why fade to black because you never got

2827
02:01:53,589 --> 02:01:49,199
that pony

2828
02:01:58,070 --> 02:01:55,750
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2829
02:02:09,310 --> 02:01:58,080
on the game changer radio network

2830
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:19,109
[Music]

2831
02:02:22,229 --> 02:02:20,950
welcome back fade to black i am your

2832
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:22,239
host jimmy church tonight

2833
02:02:26,390 --> 02:02:25,679
travis walton what a great conversation

2834
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:26,400
so far

2835
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:29,760
tomorrow night filmmaker

2836
02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:32,880
documentarian darcy weir joins us and

2837
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:35,199
wednesday night johnny enoch thursday

2838
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:37,520
night is fader night with open lines all

2839
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:40,239
night long but tonight travis joins us

2840
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:43,920
and as promised we are talking about

2841
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:45,760
everything travis we haven't left

2842
02:02:52,629 --> 02:02:47,119
anything off of the table

2843
02:02:56,310 --> 02:02:54,790
and and and it's this you know and you

2844
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,320
know going back to

2845
02:03:00,149 --> 02:02:58,480
something like uh you know the fermi

2846
02:03:02,790 --> 02:03:00,159
paradox you know we've got all these

2847
02:03:04,470 --> 02:03:02,800
star systems and planets and then

2848
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:04,480
you know there must be life out there

2849
02:03:08,950 --> 02:03:05,920
but where are they

2850
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:08,960
putting that aside um we

2851
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:12,880
just had our first interstellar

2852
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:16,560
uh object come through our star system

2853
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:18,239
omua mua

2854
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:21,920
and we uh

2855
02:03:25,589 --> 02:03:24,000
face the question all the time why

2856
02:03:28,310 --> 02:03:25,599
aren't we seeing

2857
02:03:29,990 --> 02:03:28,320
these starships go between planets why

2858
02:03:33,510 --> 02:03:30,000
aren't we observing

2859
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:33,520
e.t well omumua shows up

2860
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:36,880
an interstellar object and we didn't

2861
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:40,560
detect it until it was leaving

2862
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:43,599
right we didn't see it coming we didn't

2863
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:44,159
know

2864
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:48,159
started collecting data

2865
02:03:55,350 --> 02:03:51,840
after it was too late right

2866
02:04:00,149 --> 02:03:55,360
do you think omua uh was

2867
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:00,159
uh uh something that wasn't natural

2868
02:04:04,069 --> 02:04:03,440
well it was certainly atypical in every

2869
02:04:06,470 --> 02:04:04,079
sense

2870
02:04:07,589 --> 02:04:06,480
the shape and the trajectory and the

2871
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:07,599
speed all that

2872
02:04:11,990 --> 02:04:10,400
is fascinating and it's amazing that we

2873
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:12,000
didn't spot it sooner

2874
02:04:15,109 --> 02:04:13,360
or at least that's what they're telling

2875
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:15,119
us anyway well and

2876
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:18,000
we could have taken pictures right you

2877
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:19,040
know and yeah

2878
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:22,239
it it by the time that the

2879
02:04:28,709 --> 02:04:26,000
data started coming in uh it was

2880
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:28,719
it was like 80 million miles past earth

2881
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:29,040
and

2882
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:33,360
quickly left

2883
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:36,960
so um maybe they did get images

2884
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:40,400
but like you said we don't know that now

2885
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:43,440
um avi loeb the physicist has just

2886
02:04:45,709 --> 02:04:44,320
released

2887
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:45,719
an extraordinary book called

2888
02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:47,840
extraterrestrial i'm now

2889
02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:51,760
like through my 10th read on this book

2890
02:04:55,109 --> 02:04:52,320
and

2891
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:55,119
all he is doing is looking at the data

2892
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:56,560
he's saying look

2893
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:00,719
the data says this is not natural it's

2894
02:05:05,910 --> 02:05:02,560
not a rock it's not anything

2895
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:05,920
it has to be something else and that's

2896
02:05:10,709 --> 02:05:06,719
how we should

2897
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:12,870
yeah yeah and definitely it's

2898
02:05:17,750 --> 02:05:15,280
fascinating these are keys to

2899
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:17,760
to really important questions about

2900
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:20,800
ourself our existence and

2901
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:23,119
all the whole thing and uh you know

2902
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:24,320
people uh

2903
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:27,280
are slowly it's slowly dawning on them

2904
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:27,920
that

2905
02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:30,960
the idea of life elsewhere is not not

2906
02:05:34,069 --> 02:05:31,360
this

2907
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:34,079
remote thing that they it's been

2908
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:35,599
represented to be

2909
02:05:38,790 --> 02:05:37,840
um you know we we knew about the drake

2910
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:38,800
equation

2911
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:42,400
uh uh that was supposed to estimate the

2912
02:05:50,010 --> 02:05:47,189
life-supporting planets in the galaxy

2913
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:50,020
but they they had to make a kind of a

2914
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:53,040
[Music]

2915
02:05:57,030 --> 02:05:55,679
vague guess at how many of the stars

2916
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:57,040
would have planets

2917
02:06:02,709 --> 02:06:00,719
but since that came out

2918
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:02,719
it was just this last year that nasa

2919
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:05,520
said it's now a virtual certainty

2920
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:08,400
that every star has about a dozen

2921
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:09,679
planets

2922
02:06:14,069 --> 02:06:12,000
and you'd say well how do they know that

2923
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:14,079
you can't see them from here

2924
02:06:19,589 --> 02:06:17,520
but the way they do it is they very

2925
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:19,599
carefully measure the amount of light

2926
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:21,280
coming towards us

2927
02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:24,880
and if the um dimming

2928
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:28,840
intervals occur at a specific

2929
02:06:35,589 --> 02:06:32,480
uniform interval it

2930
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:35,599
is indication that

2931
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:40,159
a planet passed between us and that star

2932
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:43,440
and so on the basis of that new

2933
02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:44,800
information

2934
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:49,440
the drake equation plugs in estimates

2935
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:52,960
of other planets in our galaxy far

2936
02:06:56,470 --> 02:06:55,920
far greater than anybody ever imagined

2937
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:56,480
and

2938
02:07:02,390 --> 02:07:00,400
you know forgive me the astronomical

2939
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:02,400
number of planets

2940
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:06,719
is so great that um

2941
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:10,960
the odds of us being alone

2942
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:13,599
in terms of being a life-supporting

2943
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:14,320
planet

2944
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:17,440
are ju it's it's just absurd it's a it's

2945
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:18,320
basic

2946
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:22,320
other life-supporting planets and

2947
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:25,360
plenty of time for them to come up with

2948
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:27,840
something similar to humans

2949
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:34,069
you got to look at how brief human

2950
02:07:39,750 --> 02:07:35,440
history on this planet

2951
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:39,760
is tens of thousands and yet

2952
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:43,760
the uh dinosaurs dominated life on this

2953
02:07:48,310 --> 02:07:44,560
planet for

2954
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:48,320
hundreds of millions of years and um

2955
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,159
probably anything that would have been

2956
02:07:57,189 --> 02:07:54,320
intelligent would have been food pretty

2957
02:08:00,629 --> 02:07:57,199
quick you know and

2958
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:00,639
the the conditions were stable but uh

2959
02:08:04,149 --> 02:08:02,880
all we had was dinosaurs and along come

2960
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:04,159
humans so

2961
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:05,920
even even with the life-supporting

2962
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:07,599
planets you know

2963
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:10,719
we might be very special in terms of

2964
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:14,000
this thing called consciousness

2965
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:17,360
yeah and it's it's it's so funny

2966
02:08:24,629 --> 02:08:21,520
if we if if that asteroid or comet

2967
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:24,639
didn't hit earth 65 million years ago

2968
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:27,840
and wiped the dinosaurs out would we

2969
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:31,599
have come along number one probably not

2970
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,199
unless somebody brought us here and

2971
02:08:37,750 --> 02:08:35,599
that's always another consideration

2972
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,760
but yeah that's a popular theory do you

2973
02:08:42,629 --> 02:08:39,280
think that dinosaurs

2974
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,639
today would be building radar telescopes

2975
02:08:47,910 --> 02:08:44,880
and watching television

2976
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:47,920
right i don't think maybe

2977
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:51,040
no i doubt it i think uh the reason

2978
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:55,280
the aliens are humanoid in overall form

2979
02:09:00,629 --> 02:08:58,159
is that that's what it takes to

2980
02:09:01,830 --> 02:09:00,639
effectuate an intelligent being you know

2981
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:01,840
to be able to

2982
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:05,119
walk around on the behind appendages and

2983
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:06,719
manipulate the environment with the

2984
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:09,280
other two

2985
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:11,199
now i know there's all kinds of exotic

2986
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:13,360
theories about intelligent octopi

2987
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:16,880
obviously yeah but uh

2988
02:09:22,709 --> 02:09:21,520
um there's a lot of time to think about

2989
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:22,719
it

2990
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:25,520
i i want to hear your idea well see this

2991
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:26,800
is the thing

2992
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:30,400
octopus octopi very smart no question

2993
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:32,480
probably smart could be as smart as us

2994
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:36,400
or smarter there's one problem

2995
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,840
they can't deal with fire

2996
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:41,599
now think about that think about that

2997
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:43,119
for a second that one

2998
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:46,320
thing unless they can figure out how to

2999
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:49,840
light a match in the water but that one

3000
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:50,480
thing

3001
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:53,599
stops development like if there could be

3002
02:09:58,149 --> 02:09:55,040
life in the oceans of

3003
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:58,159
europa right that's totally possible

3004
02:10:03,109 --> 02:10:01,199
but they don't have fire so where does

3005
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:03,119
manufacturing come from where did the

3006
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:04,400
next stages of

3007
02:10:09,589 --> 02:10:08,239
evolution come from and and everything

3008
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:09,599
follows from that

3009
02:10:13,589 --> 02:10:13,040
you know that's a crucial um turning

3010
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,599
point

3011
02:10:18,629 --> 02:10:16,239
in the development of human beings do

3012
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:18,639
you and now going back to omua moa for a

3013
02:10:22,950 --> 02:10:19,679
second

3014
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:22,960
um for those out there that want to say

3015
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:26,079
it it was just a rock well

3016
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:29,280
i have issues with that because it

3017
02:10:34,069 --> 02:10:32,239
seemed not seen it did it took an

3018
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:34,079
intelligent turn

3019
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:36,960
around the sun wasn't affected by the

3020
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:39,199
gravity of the sun

3021
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:42,480
and then increased speed

3022
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:44,880
if it was a comet we would have seen

3023
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:47,360
something ejecting from it to cause that

3024
02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:48,000
speed

3025
02:10:51,109 --> 02:10:49,920
none of that was detected none of that

3026
02:10:54,830 --> 02:10:51,119
was seen

3027
02:10:58,550 --> 02:10:54,840
the speed happened on its own

3028
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:58,560
internally the turn happened on its own

3029
02:11:01,990 --> 02:11:00,639
without the gravity of the sun in fact

3030
02:11:04,629 --> 02:11:02,000
it turned away

3031
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:04,639
from the sun and made its own turn

3032
02:11:08,629 --> 02:11:05,599
doesn't that

3033
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:08,639
just negate any criticism about it being

3034
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:11,360
a rock or intelligent right there

3035
02:11:14,629 --> 02:11:13,599
well you know if all those factors are

3036
02:11:17,910 --> 02:11:14,639
true then it's

3037
02:11:21,669 --> 02:11:17,920
absolutely certainty that uh that this

3038
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:21,679
is not uh just a chunk of rock floating

3039
02:11:24,149 --> 02:11:22,960
through there you know you have to

3040
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:24,159
explain the the

3041
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:27,040
patterns of motion then and you know

3042
02:11:32,550 --> 02:11:29,199
that's what the naysayers do you know

3043
02:11:34,870 --> 02:11:32,560
i insist that it's something else

3044
02:11:37,270 --> 02:11:34,880
because you can't prove a negative and

3045
02:11:40,310 --> 02:11:37,280
that's what they're relying on

3046
02:11:44,629 --> 02:11:40,320
is is that also an explanation

3047
02:11:46,950 --> 02:11:44,639
for our our general lack of technology

3048
02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:46,960
that we can't detect everything and

3049
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:50,960
if vt is running around out there

3050
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:52,800
why should we be able to see it we

3051
02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:55,520
didn't see omumua until it was too late

3052
02:12:00,390 --> 02:11:56,880
right

3053
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:00,400
yeah and that's a very important thing

3054
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:03,599
i think that you know uh it's got to be

3055
02:12:08,950 --> 02:12:05,040
something

3056
02:12:12,390 --> 02:12:08,960
apparently superior to newtonian physics

3057
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:12,400
uh portals or space warp or whatever

3058
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:15,119
you know time dilation you know whatever

3059
02:12:19,030 --> 02:12:15,760
it is

3060
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:19,040
it's it's not just you know go as fast

3061
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:20,560
as you can from this star to the other

3062
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:22,239
star we know that that would be

3063
02:12:28,390 --> 02:12:26,320
unimaginably uh long journey

3064
02:12:30,229 --> 02:12:28,400
but it's not impossible you know if

3065
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:30,239
these beings could live for thousands of

3066
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:31,599
years maybe

3067
02:12:34,709 --> 02:12:33,760
maybe that's something that's feasible

3068
02:12:37,189 --> 02:12:34,719
for him

3069
02:12:38,069 --> 02:12:37,199
well and and like going back to your

3070
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:38,079
experience

3071
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:41,119
and who you were hanging out with

3072
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:44,159
uh for those five days

3073
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:48,000
do you think that they were not

3074
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:51,840
spending 10 000 light years on that ship

3075
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:54,719
right to travel between the stars that

3076
02:13:00,470 --> 02:12:57,040
whatever they were doing

3077
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:00,480
with their ship was easy

3078
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:04,079
right yeah yeah and and who can say

3079
02:13:10,310 --> 02:13:07,520
what's impossible uh remember

3080
02:13:10,790 --> 02:13:10,320
stan freeman's book science was wrong

3081
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:10,800
you know

3082
02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:12,960
what could be more presumptuous than to

3083
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:13,840
tell

3084
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:18,800
it's it's really shameful that these

3085
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:20,400
scientists are telling us

3086
02:13:26,229 --> 02:13:23,440
they can't get here

3087
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:26,239
no i know it's the exact opposite they

3088
02:13:29,189 --> 02:13:26,719
can

3089
02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:29,199
and it's easy you need to go to the

3090
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:30,000
store travis

3091
02:13:33,750 --> 02:13:31,840
to pick up some milk you jump in your

3092
02:13:34,470 --> 02:13:33,760
car and go and do it in your home in 10

3093
02:13:37,430 --> 02:13:34,480
minutes

3094
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:37,440
right yeah well 200 years ago that's

3095
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:38,560
magic

3096
02:13:43,270 --> 02:13:42,320
today because it's easy you don't even

3097
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:43,280
think about it

3098
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:46,159
it has to be the same way for e.t now

3099
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:46,480
and

3100
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:51,360
gone through a transition

3101
02:13:56,950 --> 02:13:54,639
of uh because i know that i have

3102
02:13:58,069 --> 02:13:56,960
where it's a nuts and bolts craft

3103
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:58,079
traveling in a straight

3104
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:01,280
line and they they're flying

3105
02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:04,560
from point a to point b i'm not there

3106
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:05,199
today

3107
02:14:08,470 --> 02:14:07,280
i used to be and i wondered how they got

3108
02:14:11,589 --> 02:14:08,480
it done

3109
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:11,599
today i'm thinking it's got to be

3110
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:15,040
some type of inter-dimensional some type

3111
02:14:21,589 --> 02:14:18,560
of way of folding space where the travel

3112
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:21,599
is instant have you gone through the

3113
02:14:25,109 --> 02:14:23,440
same transition did you used to think it

3114
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:25,119
was a nuts and bolts

3115
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:27,040
uh yeah yeah that's what that's the way

3116
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:28,320
i was thinking but

3117
02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:31,440
um obviously you know the longer you

3118
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:32,639
think about

3119
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:35,119
the amount of time that they had to

3120
02:14:37,669 --> 02:14:35,760
develop

3121
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,679
more and more understanding of the

3122
02:14:43,589 --> 02:14:40,320
universe you know i am not in

3123
02:14:46,629 --> 02:14:43,599
in the least inclined to say what's

3124
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:46,639
quote not possible

3125
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:50,480
and and how so how so all the limits of

3126
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,760
physics you know uh

3127
02:14:55,109 --> 02:14:53,360
heck i've i've done enough thinking

3128
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:55,119
about physics

3129
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:58,159
uh how dare me the audacity uh

3130
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:01,599
to question the validity of on newtonian

3131
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:02,400
physics and

3132
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:05,520
uh the um

3133
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:08,480
e equal m seed squared and right up to

3134
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:09,199
the

3135
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:16,480
comes down to

3136
02:15:23,510 --> 02:15:19,520
186 000 miles per second

3137
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:23,520
is all the faster anything can go

3138
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:31,669
it's uh it implies something

3139
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:35,280
is impossible if you were going at

3140
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:38,400
say half the speed of light and you

3141
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:41,520
shined a light forward

3142
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:43,840
in the direction you were traveling the

3143
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:45,199
light beam would just

3144
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:48,320
what fall to the floor i mean not not

3145
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:49,119
even be

3146
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:50,800
you couldn't even project it because if

3147
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:53,760
it did it would be going

3148
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:58,239
the speed of light uh plus 50 more

3149
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:01,360
except for einstein said that

3150
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:05,599
i i agree with you um i i can't wrap my

3151
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:07,760
head around it because einstein says

3152
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:09,119
that the speed of light

3153
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:13,599
is absolute so if you were at 99

3154
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:16,239
of the speed of light right and you turn

3155
02:16:22,350 --> 02:16:18,800
on your headlights well now

3156
02:16:25,589 --> 02:16:22,360
the your headlights would be

3157
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,599
99.9 of the speed of light plus the

3158
02:16:30,069 --> 02:16:27,199
speed of light

3159
02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:30,079
right yeah and einstein says no that's

3160
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:31,280
not the case

3161
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:34,399
the speed of light is constant so

3162
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:37,920
no your headlights would be 0.1 percent

3163
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,200
out in front of you and stop

3164
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:43,280
right i just can't wrap my head around

3165
02:16:46,309 --> 02:16:44,559
that it doesn't make sense

3166
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:46,319
the speed of that object that moved

3167
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:48,399
through

3168
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:51,679
our solar system and

3169
02:16:55,270 --> 02:16:54,240
the fact that it accelerated and you

3170
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:55,280
know we're measuring

3171
02:17:01,589 --> 02:16:59,040
its speed relative there's that word

3172
02:17:02,709 --> 02:17:01,599
relative to other objects in the solar

3173
02:17:05,910 --> 02:17:02,719
system

3174
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:05,920
so that's the whole key here relativity

3175
02:17:10,070 --> 02:17:07,439
is basically

3176
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:10,080
denying that speed is relative that it's

3177
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:11,679
absolute

3178
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:15,040
and ultimately when you get up to 186

3179
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:17,120
000 miles per second

3180
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:20,479
and um what do i know it just uh

3181
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:23,359
doesn't seem right to me but apparently

3182
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:23,920
they've

3183
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:26,319
they have other way around it you know

3184
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:27,040
um

3185
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:29,200
and what do you think of some kind yeah

3186
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:31,200
and i know you thought about that a lot

3187
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:33,439
what do you think it is what how do you

3188
02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:35,120
think they're getting from

3189
02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:38,240
star to star well

3190
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:40,319
you know people say there's portals

3191
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:41,679
there's um

3192
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:50,469
time time dilation and

3193
02:17:54,549 --> 02:17:52,240
you know there's even phenomena that

3194
02:17:58,950 --> 02:17:54,559
have been

3195
02:18:02,709 --> 02:17:58,960
found and discovered uh concerning

3196
02:18:07,030 --> 02:18:02,719
the behavior of physics

3197
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:07,040
at speeds near the speed of light

3198
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:08,800
and you know this is getting really far

3199
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:11,519
out there and it's presumptuous of me

3200
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:15,200
to think that there might be around

3201
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:18,719
but um what if einstein

3202
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:22,399
was mistaken i mean

3203
02:18:26,230 --> 02:18:24,399
just the givens that he was going with

3204
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:26,240
were they accepted givens at the time

3205
02:18:30,469 --> 02:18:27,519
but uh

3206
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:30,479
perhaps there's something that wasn't

3207
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:33,840
being taken into consideration there

3208
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:37,120
i i think um it there

3209
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:40,399
when i talk about it being easy

3210
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:43,760
it has to be something that doesn't take

3211
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:44,399
a lot of

3212
02:18:52,230 --> 02:18:47,920
energy and something

3213
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:52,240
that involves removing the distance

3214
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:54,800
you're not traveling the distance you're

3215
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:56,080
cutting the distance

3216
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:58,960
out and i don't know what that process

3217
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:00,000
would be

3218
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:03,280
i don't but it has to be something that

3219
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:05,760
simple and and they've got it figured

3220
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:07,120
out but the distance

3221
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,840
is not a consideration and it hasn't you

3222
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:10,880
know and i'll tell you

3223
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:13,120
a couple of reasons why i think that

3224
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:14,719
it's not

3225
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:19,439
only traveling it's also communication

3226
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:21,200
you're not you're not communicating at

3227
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:24,000
the speed of light with radio waves

3228
02:19:29,030 --> 02:19:26,160
right that that just wouldn't work if

3229
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:29,040
you and i travis jumped on a starship

3230
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:30,719
and you and i went out to proxima

3231
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:32,559
centauri it's four and a half light

3232
02:19:35,830 --> 02:19:33,760
years away

3233
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:35,840
but if you and i get there and we've got

3234
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,040
engine problems and we got a phone home

3235
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,439
that traveling at the speed of light

3236
02:19:45,830 --> 02:19:43,040
it's going to take four and a half years

3237
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:45,840
before they get our 911 call

3238
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:47,599
it doesn't work that way right you have

3239
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:49,280
to be able to communicate too

3240
02:19:59,550 --> 02:19:59,110
whatever it is they've done it because i

3241
02:20:03,510 --> 02:19:59,560
am

3242
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:03,520
absolutely certain that they are here

3243
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:12,550
are not from here that this is

3244
02:20:17,349 --> 02:20:15,680
an alien presence now maybe they've

3245
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:17,359
gotten one heck of a lot of patience

3246
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:18,250
that's all

3247
02:20:23,750 --> 02:20:21,680
[Laughter]

3248
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:23,760
totally totally and i don't that you

3249
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:25,600
know there's always the possibility that

3250
02:20:29,910 --> 02:20:27,920
they are us and they're time travelers

3251
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:29,920
uh from the future and anything is

3252
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,160
possible and you can put that out there

3253
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:34,080
but there's another part

3254
02:20:37,670 --> 02:20:36,560
and i want to uh end our conversation

3255
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:37,680
with this

3256
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:40,800
there are so many uh people out there

3257
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:44,240
um daryl anka and bashar are one

3258
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:47,680
um that are channeling or communicating

3259
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:50,399
with something and and not that all of

3260
02:20:55,830 --> 02:20:50,720
it

3261
02:20:57,429 --> 02:20:55,840
and that communication is coming from

3262
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:57,439
another star system

3263
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:00,720
at great distances in real time

3264
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:03,680
right and may not even involve something

3265
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:06,160
in the electromagnetic spectrum in other

3266
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:06,720
words

3267
02:21:10,230 --> 02:21:09,760
186 000 miles per second if there's some

3268
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:10,240
other

3269
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:12,880
form of energy uh communicating this

3270
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:14,479
information

3271
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:17,920
it it may not um take that long

3272
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:21,280
no it could be instant and uh

3273
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:22,880
you know we've talked about physics so

3274
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:25,359
many times tonight

3275
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:28,640
uh when we talk about entanglement just

3276
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,920
right there and how much did einstein

3277
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:33,200
freak out on that right

3278
02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:36,000
spooky action at a distance but if you

3279
02:21:38,950 --> 02:21:36,319
have

3280
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,960
two particles on the opposite sides of

3281
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:40,560
the milky way

3282
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:43,840
instantly affecting each other when

3283
02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:47,040
the milky way is 150 000 light years

3284
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:47,600
across

3285
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,720
but yet the interaction is instant what

3286
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,399
does that tell you

3287
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,319
that's faster than that's you know

3288
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:56,000
that's not the speed of light

3289
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:00,319
that's the speed of now yeah

3290
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:03,359
so there's already a direct link

3291
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:06,840
that involves no

3292
02:22:13,030 --> 02:22:11,520
uh transit time i'm cool we just

3293
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:13,040
we just don't know how to do it that's

3294
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:14,800
it not yet anyway

3295
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:17,120
what's next for you uh this year what

3296
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:19,200
are you what are you doing

3297
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:30,389
i'm going to be at roswell in july

3298
02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:35,830
i'm going to brazil

3299
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:38,630
a few of those um this was set to be the

3300
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:39,760
most

3301
02:22:47,750 --> 02:22:45,280
and then the pandemic came along and

3302
02:22:49,510 --> 02:22:47,760
they postponed so many events it was

3303
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:49,520
there were a lot of countries i'd never

3304
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:57,190
oh man we lost travis

3305
02:23:01,110 --> 02:23:00,319
travis are you there hello yeah you

3306
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:01,120
dropped out

3307
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:04,080
can you hear me yeah i can hear you wow

3308
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:04,640
that was

3309
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:11,600
yeah you said um uh this was supposed to

3310
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:13,040
be the busiest

3311
02:23:16,630 --> 02:23:15,840
year of your life but the pandemic came

3312
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:16,640
and then

3313
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:23,600
well they're slowly rebooking these uh

3314
02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:26,160
postponed events and it's picking up

3315
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:26,800
again

3316
02:23:30,830 --> 02:23:28,800
now where can everybody go and check on

3317
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:30,840
your schedule i know you have

3318
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:33,840
traviswalton.com uh working everybody

3319
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:36,800
that's it you know what i'd like to

3320
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:38,160
invite everybody to

3321
02:23:44,469 --> 02:23:41,359
to to see the travis

3322
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:44,479
video i didn't name it it's uh

3323
02:23:47,910 --> 02:23:47,040
that's what the filmmaker named it

3324
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:47,920
travis

3325
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:50,399
i think that's a 90 minute documentary

3326
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:56,150
it can be um ordered

3327
02:24:03,110 --> 02:24:00,399
online on wings and um

3328
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:03,120
i think she's yeah you can even order it

3329
02:24:07,110 --> 02:24:04,240
from my website

3330
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:07,120
but uh that's that's an exceptional one

3331
02:24:11,910 --> 02:24:08,160
along with uh

3332
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:11,920
another one called paranormal witness

3333
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:15,200
that was a normally a one-hour show that

3334
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:18,640
they did a 90-minute special on today um

3335
02:24:26,309 --> 02:24:22,479
and one last question if it's okay to

3336
02:24:29,590 --> 02:24:26,319
go here i know how hollywood can be

3337
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:29,600
but are we ever going to see

3338
02:24:35,190 --> 02:24:32,960
your version of fire in the sky

3339
02:24:36,389 --> 02:24:35,200
yes yeah things that were heating up in

3340
02:24:38,630 --> 02:24:36,399
that i've had

3341
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:38,640
inquiries they came to me and i think

3342
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:39,920
it's about time that

3343
02:24:44,309 --> 02:24:42,399
uh we're ready for a remake and i want

3344
02:24:44,710 --> 02:24:44,319
people to understand that a remake is

3345
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:44,720
not

3346
02:24:50,870 --> 02:24:48,080
doing the same thing over again it's to

3347
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:50,880
um bring out some things that weren't

3348
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:53,040
even included at the time it's to

3349
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:56,560
correct some things that um

3350
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:59,200
gave the wrong impression and uh you

3351
02:25:03,030 --> 02:24:59,680
know

3352
02:25:05,030 --> 02:25:03,040
just a more complete and and better

3353
02:25:06,469 --> 02:25:05,040
uh i've had a number of offers over the

3354
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:06,479
years because you know i've given

3355
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:08,000
hundreds of talks that

3356
02:25:13,750 --> 02:25:11,600
i mentioned the desire for a remake but

3357
02:25:16,550 --> 02:25:13,760
um three or four or five different

3358
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:16,560
filmmakers said i can do that but uh

3359
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:18,880
i didn't think that they were serious

3360
02:25:22,870 --> 02:25:19,680
about making

3361
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:22,880
uh something that will be better than

3362
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:25,040
the first and

3363
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:27,600
that's a tall order it's gonna it won't

3364
02:25:31,030 --> 02:25:28,640
be cheap

3365
02:25:32,309 --> 02:25:31,040
so you're saying jimmy keep your fingers

3366
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:32,319
crossed

3367
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,840
it looks good i think so yeah

3368
02:25:39,270 --> 02:25:38,000
yeah we're working on it and that's

3369
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:39,280
great news travis

3370
02:25:43,110 --> 02:25:41,359
that is great news well i look forward

3371
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:43,120
to somehow

3372
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:46,319
seeing you this year it's uh it's been

3373
02:25:52,150 --> 02:25:49,680
it's been a year and a half it's crazy

3374
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:52,160
and so i look forward to uh breaking

3375
02:25:56,389 --> 02:25:53,760
bread with you once again my friend

3376
02:25:58,710 --> 02:25:56,399
thank you so much great show tonight

3377
02:26:00,790 --> 02:25:58,720
yeah well thanks for having me travis

3378
02:26:03,510 --> 02:26:00,800
walton thank you so much travis

3379
02:26:06,150 --> 02:26:03,520
i am your host jimmy church this is fade

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[Music]

3450
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:27,920
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

3451
02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:30,399
your host jimmy church

3452
02:30:36,230 --> 02:30:34,000
oh man that was a conversation right

3453
02:30:37,270 --> 02:30:36,240
there travis walton thank you so much my

3454
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:37,280
friend

3455
02:30:44,309 --> 02:30:40,800
that uh was was epic on every level

3456
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:44,319
and uh i i was just looking forward to

3457
02:30:48,630 --> 02:30:44,960
it

3458
02:30:51,349 --> 02:30:48,640
i knew that uh the conversation had to

3459
02:30:56,230 --> 02:30:51,359
fall back to 1975 at some point

3460
02:30:59,270 --> 02:30:56,240
but uh to to hear from travis

3461
02:31:02,550 --> 02:30:59,280
on all of these uh different

3462
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:02,560
subjects and topics uh when it comes to

3463
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:09,030
has been through one of the most

3464
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:10,880
extraordinary experiences

3465
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:14,160
ever um so highly publicized

3466
02:31:17,990 --> 02:31:15,680
in the witnesses and everything else

3467
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:18,000
that that that goes along with

3468
02:31:24,550 --> 02:31:21,680
with travis but you know

3469
02:31:28,230 --> 02:31:24,560
that he thinks about this stuff and he

3470
02:31:30,630 --> 02:31:28,240
studies it and he knows what's up and

3471
02:31:31,429 --> 02:31:30,640
to have travis speak about physics and

3472
02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:31,439
science and

3473
02:31:34,790 --> 02:31:34,160
and the government and the military and

3474
02:31:39,830 --> 02:31:34,800
and

3475
02:31:43,270 --> 02:31:39,840
he's been thinking about this

3476
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:43,280
and wondering about it and uh

3477
02:31:49,630 --> 02:31:45,840
oh one of the most oh i've opened up the

3478
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:52,830
747-228-2051

3479
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:56,160
what did you

3480
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:58,960
think about uh not only the show tonight

3481
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:00,399
and the conversation

3482
02:32:05,990 --> 02:32:03,920
but uh travis's opinions on this

3483
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:06,000
now he did say to me and he said it at

3484
02:32:10,710 --> 02:32:08,160
the beginning of the show but

3485
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:10,720
uh he said that uh to me a couple of

3486
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:12,240
times this week

3487
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:16,960
he said uh um these are going to be

3488
02:32:23,590 --> 02:32:20,080
my opinions nothing more they're

3489
02:32:26,950 --> 02:32:23,600
going to just be my opinions and

3490
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:26,960
so that's that's what we got tonight

3491
02:32:29,990 --> 02:32:29,520
and he said jimmy i can't speak as as

3492
02:32:33,190 --> 02:32:30,000
fact

3493
02:32:34,950 --> 02:32:33,200
on on just about any of this but i've

3494
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:34,960
been thinking about it a lot

3495
02:32:38,950 --> 02:32:37,359
and and i don't get a chance to have

3496
02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:38,960
these conversations

3497
02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:40,800
so that's what we got tonight with

3498
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:42,240
travis and

3499
02:32:45,270 --> 02:32:44,880
uh it was just it was just amazing to go

3500
02:32:48,790 --> 02:32:45,280
into

3501
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:48,800
omua with with travis walton

3502
02:32:52,309 --> 02:32:50,880
i mean how cool is that right there out

3503
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:52,319
of the gate and

3504
02:33:00,550 --> 02:32:56,080
uh and he obviously knows

3505
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:00,560
uh uh not only uh what omumu

3506
02:33:07,349 --> 02:33:03,920
was but the uh

3507
02:33:13,429 --> 02:33:07,359
the facts behind it he understands it

3508
02:33:16,230 --> 02:33:13,439
uh so much so much okay 747-228-2051

3509
02:33:17,349 --> 02:33:16,240
the conversation's about uh the speed of

3510
02:33:20,070 --> 02:33:17,359
light

3511
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:20,080
coming from travis walton that's that's

3512
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:20,479
just

3513
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:23,920
amazing to me um let's uh

3514
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:25,840
let's go to the phones let's see who's

3515
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:27,840
up first hi you're live on fade to black

3516
02:33:32,630 --> 02:33:30,240
who's calling

3517
02:33:35,270 --> 02:33:32,640
hey jimmy this is nathan in ohio hey

3518
02:33:37,110 --> 02:33:35,280
nathan how are you man

3519
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:37,120
i'm doing pretty good it was a good show

3520
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:38,319
tonight jimmy i

3521
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:42,399
uh i uh i knew it would be i saw you

3522
02:33:46,309 --> 02:33:43,760
average or saw the

3523
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:46,319
i saw it was scheduled so i purposely

3524
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:48,880
stayed up late so i could hear it

3525
02:33:55,830 --> 02:33:52,319
and uh you know

3526
02:33:58,309 --> 02:33:55,840
he's an important person

3527
02:34:00,950 --> 02:33:58,319
to me because it would i mean i know

3528
02:34:03,510 --> 02:34:00,960
he's not fond of the film

3529
02:34:04,070 --> 02:34:03,520
but it was when i was a kid it was that

3530
02:34:07,750 --> 02:34:04,080
film

3531
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:07,760
that kind of showed me what was going on

3532
02:34:14,710 --> 02:34:09,600
in my own life

3533
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:14,720
and kind of put a put a name to a face

3534
02:34:21,910 --> 02:34:18,000
how so well just the

3535
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:21,920
experience that is depicted in that film

3536
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:25,120
very much the the being on a table

3537
02:34:29,750 --> 02:34:28,319
having the beings over you i had been in

3538
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:29,760
that

3539
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:32,240
situation but yet i remember i was born

3540
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:33,359
in 1984

3541
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:35,280
so when fire in the sky came out i

3542
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,630
and so to see that film

3543
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:44,399
and see this thing that had happened to

3544
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:46,560
me on a number of occasions already by

3545
02:34:50,790 --> 02:34:48,240
that point

3546
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:50,800
you know i've followed his career often

3547
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:52,880
that he's the only person who i knew by

3548
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:54,080
name

3549
02:34:58,070 --> 02:34:55,840
who i could reference you know he's the

3550
02:35:00,950 --> 02:34:58,080
most famous case

3551
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:00,960
period and it was interesting to hear

3552
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:02,720
you

3553
02:35:09,910 --> 02:35:06,160
discuss this with him on a lot on a

3554
02:35:11,750 --> 02:35:09,920
a more philosophical level well yeah

3555
02:35:13,830 --> 02:35:11,760
i mean there's there's always that part

3556
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:13,840
of it and the

3557
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:16,800
uh going back to your comment about uh

3558
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:18,080
fire in the sky

3559
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:21,600
i don't think that travis ever

3560
02:35:27,990 --> 02:35:24,800
really um how do i say this

3561
02:35:31,270 --> 02:35:28,000
i don't think that travis ever

3562
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:31,280
uh minced words when he talked about his

3563
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:31,680
just

3564
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:35,200
disappointment with um uh fire in the

3565
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:35,760
sky

3566
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:40,160
the other part uh was that i think and i

3567
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:41,439
don't want to put words in

3568
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:44,640
in travis's mouth but i

3569
02:35:50,389 --> 02:35:48,080
think that his experience

3570
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:50,399
and what hollywood ended up doing with

3571
02:35:54,790 --> 02:35:51,600
the film

3572
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:54,800
was certainly in uh

3573
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:57,200
the the sequences uh towards the end

3574
02:36:02,070 --> 02:35:58,720
with him on the ship

3575
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:02,080
uh were were intended to be more like a

3576
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:03,280
horror film

3577
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:06,880
with horror scenes that were there to uh

3578
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:10,720
uh you know cause fear and and terror

3579
02:36:13,910 --> 02:36:13,040
in everybody and they hollywoodized the

3580
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:13,920
film

3581
02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:17,200
and uh that that part

3582
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:20,160
that wasn't his experience now parts of

3583
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:20,720
it were

3584
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:23,280
and he was scared and he was terrified

3585
02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:24,080
but i don't think

3586
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:28,160
overall that was his experience

3587
02:36:34,230 --> 02:36:31,200
now what he would do

3588
02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:34,240
to change all of that i don't know

3589
02:36:38,790 --> 02:36:37,040
you know i don't know what travis is you

3590
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,800
know i wasn't there

3591
02:36:42,469 --> 02:36:41,040
um i've certainly discussed it enough

3592
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:42,479
with him on this show

3593
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:45,840
and otherwise uh to know

3594
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:49,200
that um he was not happy with those

3595
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:50,000
sequences

3596
02:36:53,030 --> 02:36:51,920
in the film and those film those

3597
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,040
sequences

3598
02:36:56,230 --> 02:36:55,120
scared the crap out of me i mean

3599
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:56,240
personally those

3600
02:37:01,429 --> 02:36:59,520
well and still to this day um

3601
02:37:02,710 --> 02:37:01,439
i ended up getting fire in the sky on

3602
02:37:04,790 --> 02:37:02,720
dvd

3603
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:04,800
and uh went back and watched it and i

3604
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:06,000
forgot

3605
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:09,280
how much hollywood tried to push

3606
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,439
the horror element um of fire in the sky

3607
02:37:18,070 --> 02:37:16,240
in the film uh i think that the rest of

3608
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:18,080
the film um

3609
02:37:21,750 --> 02:37:20,560
in a general sense uh was pretty

3610
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:21,760
accurate

3611
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:24,560
um you know there was the love the you

3612
02:37:27,349 --> 02:37:24,960
know

3613
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:27,359
and and that but but i think that

3614
02:37:33,030 --> 02:37:28,560
overall

3615
02:37:35,429 --> 02:37:33,040
uh with the crew and how uh historically

3616
02:37:36,710 --> 02:37:35,439
how all of that was dealt with uh was

3617
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:36,720
pretty accurate

3618
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:38,800
but i think that travis wants his

3619
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:40,240
opportunity

3620
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:43,280
uh to tell the story his way

3621
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:47,439
and to get it out there um that

3622
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:50,479
was his experience from his memory and i

3623
02:37:52,790 --> 02:37:52,080
certainly hope that he gets the film

3624
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:52,800
done

3625
02:37:57,030 --> 02:37:54,960
so with that nathan i want you to have a

3626
02:37:58,830 --> 02:37:57,040
great night behave and be well

3627
02:38:00,150 --> 02:37:58,840
and we'll see you tomorrow night right

3628
02:38:01,830 --> 02:38:00,160
here

3629
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:01,840
all right go back to japan jimmy yeah

3630
02:38:07,510 --> 02:38:04,479
right at you nathan thank you so much

3631
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:07,520
and uh and and i mean that when

3632
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:11,359
uh uh when travis says you know i

3633
02:38:15,110 --> 02:38:14,160
i think finally uh this thing's gonna

3634
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:15,120
happen

3635
02:38:19,590 --> 02:38:17,439
and and i've got the right film company

3636
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:19,600
and i've got uh you know people

3637
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:22,240
uh speaking to me the way that i need to

3638
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:23,200
hear it

3639
02:38:31,030 --> 02:38:27,280
is is pretty good travis is super smart

3640
02:38:34,230 --> 02:38:31,040
um uh how do

3641
02:38:36,790 --> 02:38:34,240
i have uh been able to and if you

3642
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:36,800
ever get a chance you know go up to

3643
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:37,920
travis

3644
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:40,800
introduce yourself he's open to saying

3645
02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:42,640
hello and meeting everybody

3646
02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:43,760
but just sit down and have a

3647
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:45,840
conversation with travis

3648
02:38:49,670 --> 02:38:48,800
the the person it's incredible because

3649
02:38:54,550 --> 02:38:49,680
you will

3650
02:38:58,469 --> 02:38:54,560
find very quickly that he is grounded

3651
02:39:01,910 --> 02:38:58,479
um his feet are truly on the ground

3652
02:39:03,670 --> 02:39:01,920
and he is smart he's a smart guy

3653
02:39:05,349 --> 02:39:03,680
and he loves his family let's go back to

3654
02:39:07,670 --> 02:39:05,359
the phones how you're live on fade to

3655
02:39:12,070 --> 02:39:07,680
black who's calling

3656
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:12,080
this is gabriel hey oh my man

3657
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:16,080
my man how you doing

3658
02:39:21,349 --> 02:39:18,479
i'm good jimmy how are you man i haven't

3659
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:21,359
talked to you in probably two years

3660
02:39:25,190 --> 02:39:23,359
i know it's been a while you know and

3661
02:39:28,309 --> 02:39:25,200
you know what you know what's funny i

3662
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:28,319
i i i kind of felt that you would be

3663
02:39:30,870 --> 02:39:30,080
calling in tonight i'm just letting you

3664
02:39:33,429 --> 02:39:30,880
know

3665
02:39:34,469 --> 02:39:33,439
i i got a vibe on that and i'm glad that

3666
02:39:37,830 --> 02:39:34,479
you did

3667
02:39:39,830 --> 02:39:37,840
um but what's really funny is how much

3668
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:39,840
we have hung out over the years and

3669
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:42,960
and done things and and i haven't talked

3670
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:43,920
to you in in

3671
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:47,200
in in such a long time but it's great to

3672
02:39:49,349 --> 02:39:47,680
hear you

3673
02:39:51,030 --> 02:39:49,359
that's how friends are that's how

3674
02:39:52,070 --> 02:39:51,040
friends are right you pick up the torch

3675
02:39:55,590 --> 02:39:52,080
right where you left off

3676
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:55,600
yeah and it seems like it right now full

3677
02:40:04,469 --> 02:39:59,280
show um uh oh you know who's

3678
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,429
i'm looking guess who just posted in

3679
02:40:13,510 --> 02:40:09,439
twitter

3680
02:40:16,950 --> 02:40:13,520
who chuck from hong kong

3681
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:16,960
no way yeah i'm looking at it right here

3682
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:18,960
when travis came to hong kong to do his

3683
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:20,720
lecturing he mentioned

3684
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:22,720
he thinks he was killed and the aliens

3685
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:23,840
brought him back to life

3686
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:26,240
yep that's right and the ship to bring

3687
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:27,120
him back to life

3688
02:40:31,349 --> 02:40:30,640
chuck chuck from hong kong how you doing

3689
02:40:34,469 --> 02:40:31,359
my man

3690
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:34,479
you know when chuck came up to me um

3691
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:36,319
he goes i'm a big fan of fade to black

3692
02:40:40,870 --> 02:40:38,319
this is like five years ago

3693
02:40:43,030 --> 02:40:40,880
and i said really and he goes okay i'll

3694
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:43,040
prove it to you

3695
02:40:52,630 --> 02:40:48,720
he goes let me jump in right here

3696
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:52,640
and i just died i just uh chuck

3697
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:55,920
it's uh it's so good uh to see you

3698
02:41:00,389 --> 02:40:56,800
posting on twitter

3699
02:41:02,950 --> 02:41:00,399
okay now uh gabriel what'd you think of

3700
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:02,960
the conversation tonight

3701
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:06,160
oh man you know like you said jimmy or

3702
02:41:09,429 --> 02:41:08,960
travis is he's phenomenal as a person

3703
02:41:15,190 --> 02:41:09,439
and

3704
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,200
like you like you're saying

3705
02:41:19,429 --> 02:41:17,520
it's wisdom knowledge and understanding

3706
02:41:21,590 --> 02:41:19,439
and whenever he speaks you're just

3707
02:41:23,590 --> 02:41:21,600
like it's it's like it's like your

3708
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:23,600
favorite it's like your favorite author

3709
02:41:27,830 --> 02:41:25,600
reading a book to you

3710
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:27,840
of his of his writing you know it's like

3711
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:28,720
you you just

3712
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:30,800
can't get enough you want to hear more

3713
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:31,920
and more from him

3714
02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:34,399
and i think he he breaks open new

3715
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:35,680
thought processes that

3716
02:41:39,510 --> 02:41:37,920
maybe you were thinking of already but

3717
02:41:40,469 --> 02:41:39,520
didn't have you know the gumption to go

3718
02:41:42,550 --> 02:41:40,479
forward with

3719
02:41:44,710 --> 02:41:42,560
and then he helps you to finalize those

3720
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:44,720
thoughts it's like all your guests do

3721
02:41:48,230 --> 02:41:46,640
they make you smarter that's how they

3722
02:41:48,710 --> 02:41:48,240
make you smarter they get you thinking

3723
02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:48,720
on those

3724
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:50,640
paths of understanding that you never

3725
02:41:54,790 --> 02:41:52,080
grasped before

3726
02:41:56,309 --> 02:41:54,800
and i really like that travis is is

3727
02:41:57,910 --> 02:41:56,319
coming back to the forefront because i

3728
02:41:59,510 --> 02:41:57,920
felt like he kind of got pushed off to

3729
02:42:02,950 --> 02:41:59,520
the back a little bit

3730
02:42:03,830 --> 02:42:02,960
because he's he's to me he he's he's the

3731
02:42:05,990 --> 02:42:03,840
ultimate friend

3732
02:42:07,190 --> 02:42:06,000
because he's been there he's he's the

3733
02:42:08,870 --> 02:42:07,200
experiencer

3734
02:42:10,790 --> 02:42:08,880
and nobody can take that away from

3735
02:42:12,950 --> 02:42:10,800
travis they have to admit it

3736
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,960
and i think that that makes travis a

3737
02:42:17,510 --> 02:42:14,640
little bit more

3738
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:17,520
shiny to our our to the to the community

3739
02:42:21,190 --> 02:42:18,720
you know it makes him

3740
02:42:22,870 --> 02:42:21,200
a a pillar that we can never get away

3741
02:42:23,590 --> 02:42:22,880
from all right i loved hearing every

3742
02:42:25,349 --> 02:42:23,600
minute of it

3743
02:42:26,870 --> 02:42:25,359
yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right about

3744
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:26,880
that and

3745
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:30,479
how many times um have you

3746
02:42:35,190 --> 02:42:34,080
sat in the audience when we did fade to

3747
02:42:37,670 --> 02:42:35,200
black live

3748
02:42:38,309 --> 02:42:37,680
and travis comes out he's one of our

3749
02:42:42,070 --> 02:42:38,319
guests

3750
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,080
um he can't wait to get on the show

3751
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:44,000
um he's you know he's hanging out with

3752
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:45,520
the fader knots

3753
02:42:51,429 --> 02:42:48,800
and and he comes out and you are able to

3754
02:42:53,750 --> 02:42:51,439
look at travis you know straight into

3755
02:42:57,030 --> 02:42:53,760
his eyes during one of those interviews

3756
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:57,040
and realize how honest he

3757
02:43:03,030 --> 02:43:00,560
is as a person that's right

3758
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:03,040
it's so true you can you can feel it you

3759
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:03,600
can almost

3760
02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:05,840
it's not even a visual thing it's a feel

3761
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:07,920
thing and for those of us faders who are

3762
02:43:11,269 --> 02:43:09,120
all about the fields

3763
02:43:12,389 --> 02:43:11,279
that's where a lot of our intuition and

3764
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:12,399
and you know

3765
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:13,840
the way we're going to trust a person

3766
02:43:18,630 --> 02:43:16,800
comes from you can feel it from travis

3767
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:18,640
and you know i got to shake the man's

3768
02:43:22,630 --> 02:43:20,000
hand you know being there

3769
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:22,640
at those live shows and that's an honor

3770
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:25,120
because you can feel his genuineness

3771
02:43:30,389 --> 02:43:27,760
and you can take his words at face value

3772
02:43:32,790 --> 02:43:30,399
and you don't have to worry or wonder if

3773
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:32,800
maybe he's he's shining you on or taking

3774
02:43:37,190 --> 02:43:33,600
you for a ride

3775
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:37,200
no no travis is the legit 100

3776
02:43:41,670 --> 02:43:39,760
real deal i love that about him you know

3777
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:41,680
how you know how legit

3778
02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:45,120
he is oh check it out

3779
02:43:51,830 --> 02:43:47,920
sherry just posted my babe on the call

3780
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:51,840
line tonight

3781
02:43:55,990 --> 02:43:54,560
oh man i miss her so much man she's the

3782
02:43:59,030 --> 02:43:56,000
coolest of the cool

3783
02:44:01,269 --> 02:43:59,040
um you're a lucky man um let me tell you

3784
02:44:03,349 --> 02:44:01,279
how legit travis is

3785
02:44:04,950 --> 02:44:03,359
and this is a long time ago and we're

3786
02:44:08,389 --> 02:44:04,960
hanging out and

3787
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:08,399
um he comes up and he goes uh jimmy

3788
02:44:12,550 --> 02:44:11,200
uh we're gonna go to sonic and get

3789
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:12,560
burgers and shakes

3790
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:15,840
are you down and i'm like man

3791
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:19,840
travis sonic with you right now let's

3792
02:44:26,469 --> 02:44:23,279
go and i sat there

3793
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:26,479
um and had burgers and fries

3794
02:44:29,990 --> 02:44:28,800
and shakes and and play guitar with

3795
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:30,000
travis

3796
02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:31,680
and i'm thinking man you are the most

3797
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:33,279
down to earth

3798
02:44:38,550 --> 02:44:35,920
i don't even want to know the trauma

3799
02:44:42,150 --> 02:44:38,560
that you have gone through and endured

3800
02:44:44,389 --> 02:44:42,160
not only from the experience

3801
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:44,399
but it's what he put up with you know

3802
02:44:49,030 --> 02:44:45,600
with philip class

3803
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:49,040
and and and the ridicule and the pain

3804
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:52,319
and the attackers and and everything

3805
02:44:54,950 --> 02:44:53,279
else that he had

3806
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:54,960
now he had of course he had his

3807
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:56,800
supporters but he

3808
02:45:02,790 --> 02:45:00,399
dealt with a life of crap you know and

3809
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:02,800
for him to come out on the other side

3810
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:05,200
and be who he is today i think that says

3811
02:45:10,870 --> 02:45:07,600
everything about travis walden i am not

3812
02:45:14,150 --> 02:45:10,880
kidding about that yeah i agree

3813
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:14,160
100 i agree um

3814
02:45:18,790 --> 02:45:17,200
sonic man sonic i'm broke

3815
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:18,800
all right got me going now i'm i'm

3816
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:20,560
telling you what i'm telling you what so

3817
02:45:23,349 --> 02:45:21,920
how you doing how's the family

3818
02:45:25,750 --> 02:45:23,359
how did you go i haven't talked to you

3819
02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:25,760
in forever um how did you guys

3820
02:45:32,230 --> 02:45:29,200
deal with 2020 uh

3821
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:32,240
unfortunately i lost my father so

3822
02:45:38,389 --> 02:45:35,600
that one was a hard hit um

3823
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:38,399
which was like yeah that was a low blow

3824
02:45:42,389 --> 02:45:39,760
for 2020 right there

3825
02:45:44,150 --> 02:45:42,399
so i mean it was it wasn't unexpected

3826
02:45:46,790 --> 02:45:44,160
because he was he was in failing health

3827
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:46,800
because he had copd emphysema real bad

3828
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:49,840
um but you know he was he he

3829
02:45:53,349 --> 02:45:52,720
even at the end he was like i had a good

3830
02:45:55,750 --> 02:45:53,359
life

3831
02:45:57,349 --> 02:45:55,760
i did everything i wanted to do i feel

3832
02:45:59,269 --> 02:45:57,359
good about this i'm not i'm not sad

3833
02:46:00,630 --> 02:45:59,279
about this this i got to live my life

3834
02:46:02,389 --> 02:46:00,640
how i wanted to

3835
02:46:04,550 --> 02:46:02,399
so that kind of made it all better you

3836
02:46:06,230 --> 02:46:04,560
know so

3837
02:46:08,070 --> 02:46:06,240
while it's hard you know he's in a

3838
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:08,080
happier place and he gets to communicate

3839
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:10,000
with me from the beyond you know because

3840
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:12,479
that's what we told we we made that pact

3841
02:46:14,790 --> 02:46:13,520
it was like

3842
02:46:16,469 --> 02:46:14,800
you're going to communicate with me

3843
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:16,479
somehow from the other side because we

3844
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:18,000
got to know what's going on over there

3845
02:46:22,950 --> 02:46:20,160
we always talked about it we got to know

3846
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:22,960
now you and i used to just uh be able to

3847
02:46:26,710 --> 02:46:25,439
sit around all night long and and talk

3848
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:26,720
ufos and

3849
02:46:30,070 --> 02:46:29,200
and things but you and i haven't had a

3850
02:46:33,349 --> 02:46:30,080
chance to do that

3851
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:33,359
in in a couple of years um so let me ask

3852
02:46:37,910 --> 02:46:36,000
you this gabriel

3853
02:46:39,670 --> 02:46:37,920
compared to what you and i talked about

3854
02:46:42,710 --> 02:46:39,680
three years four years ago

3855
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:42,720
in the days of disclosure does it

3856
02:46:47,510 --> 02:46:45,760
feel uh

3857
02:46:48,790 --> 02:46:47,520
does it feel different today are we

3858
02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:48,800
getting closer to

3859
02:46:54,550 --> 02:46:52,000
disclosure i think

3860
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:54,560
you know my personal opinion on that one

3861
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:55,200
is

3862
02:47:01,110 --> 02:46:59,040
it's kind of like we are closer

3863
02:47:02,309 --> 02:47:01,120
but i think i think what they're trying

3864
02:47:06,150 --> 02:47:02,319
to do to us

3865
02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:06,160
in in my view is is they want us to

3866
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:08,720
slowly creep into it because they know

3867
02:47:12,389 --> 02:47:10,800
that the majority you know the faders

3868
02:47:13,429 --> 02:47:12,399
could handle it we could hear the truth

3869
02:47:15,349 --> 02:47:13,439
tomorrow

3870
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:15,359
and and we'd still go to work and do our

3871
02:47:18,790 --> 02:47:16,640
thing that'd be like oh yeah

3872
02:47:21,269 --> 02:47:18,800
that's what we knew but the but the

3873
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:21,279
people the regular folks okay just just

3874
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:24,479
just the the the joe schmoes all right

3875
02:47:30,309 --> 02:47:27,680
they can't handle the abrupt truth

3876
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:30,319
of what is real and the things like that

3877
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:32,080
travis brings to the table and all of

3878
02:47:35,349 --> 02:47:33,040
our other guests that

3879
02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:35,359
that bring to the table that there is

3880
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:37,120
more out there but i think that they're

3881
02:47:42,389 --> 02:47:39,920
trying to ease it in slowly because

3882
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:42,399
look at look at how bad a pandemic

3883
02:47:46,630 --> 02:47:44,560
really tore into people i mean just just

3884
02:47:48,309 --> 02:47:46,640
the idea of this pandemic

3885
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:48,319
really really threw people for a

3886
02:47:53,429 --> 02:47:50,960
tailspin and a lot of people lost

3887
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:53,439
their their cookies pretty bad a lot of

3888
02:47:56,870 --> 02:47:54,960
people didn't a lot of people were like

3889
02:48:00,469 --> 02:47:56,880
you know just take it as it comes but

3890
02:48:01,349 --> 02:48:00,479
you know it showed how how the general

3891
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:01,359
population

3892
02:48:08,790 --> 02:48:05,680
is kind of prone to freak out real bad

3893
02:48:10,550 --> 02:48:08,800
and i think that even i while i want to

3894
02:48:11,590 --> 02:48:10,560
say that i don't think that i think that

3895
02:48:14,309 --> 02:48:11,600
they could take it

3896
02:48:16,309 --> 02:48:14,319
they probably can't and we should just

3897
02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:16,319
slowly ease them into disclosures so

3898
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:17,680
that they don't

3899
02:48:20,950 --> 02:48:19,760
end up crying on the floor in a fetal

3900
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:20,960
position because they don't know what's

3901
02:48:25,830 --> 02:48:22,399
going on

3902
02:48:32,710 --> 02:48:29,110
what do you expect with this uap

3903
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:32,720
task force report uh for the senate uh

3904
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:36,319
do you have your hopes up i mean

3905
02:48:39,670 --> 02:48:37,920
you know it's like last time we had

3906
02:48:43,349 --> 02:48:39,680
stuff go to the senate it's

3907
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:43,359
it gets it gets washed over and and

3908
02:48:49,030 --> 02:48:46,800
too over worded and it makes

3909
02:48:51,190 --> 02:48:49,040
it it makes it for like a politic it

3910
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:51,200
makes it a political thing rather than

3911
02:48:56,469 --> 02:48:54,240
you know an information based thing so i

3912
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:56,479
hope that it comes out as like a true

3913
02:49:01,750 --> 02:48:59,680
information based thing and not just a

3914
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:01,760
you know a politician trying to use it

3915
02:49:05,429 --> 02:49:03,600
to gain favor some way

3916
02:49:06,870 --> 02:49:05,439
that's my only worry because that's what

3917
02:49:10,230 --> 02:49:06,880
they do you know they use

3918
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:10,240
they use what they have to gain more so

3919
02:49:13,429 --> 02:49:12,240
i just hope that maybe we get lucky this

3920
02:49:15,670 --> 02:49:13,439
time and

3921
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:15,680
and went out because we're waiting

3922
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:17,120
patiently i think a lot of us are

3923
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,800
waiting patiently instead of beating

3924
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:20,560
down doors like we were

3925
02:49:24,550 --> 02:49:22,640
like i was you know me personally two

3926
02:49:26,469 --> 02:49:24,560
years ago i was beaten down

3927
02:49:28,469 --> 02:49:26,479
the knowledge door trying to find out

3928
02:49:29,190 --> 02:49:28,479
where what i could how i could why i

3929
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:29,200
could

3930
02:49:32,309 --> 02:49:30,800
everything every piece of knowledge i

3931
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:32,319
could find

3932
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:34,720
and now i'm kind of slowed down because

3933
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:36,560
i'm being more observant

3934
02:49:39,990 --> 02:49:39,200
and keeping that close watched eye on

3935
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:40,000
who's doing what

3936
02:49:43,110 --> 02:49:41,840
and what's going on where because we've

3937
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:43,120
been

3938
02:49:48,070 --> 02:49:46,720
over our eyes a couple times and it

3939
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:48,080
hurts you know because

3940
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:50,640
we are prone to this understanding that

3941
02:49:54,309 --> 02:49:52,080
we really want

3942
02:49:55,670 --> 02:49:54,319
but you know sometimes we just have to

3943
02:49:57,750 --> 02:49:55,680
keep waiting i guess

3944
02:50:00,070 --> 02:49:57,760
that's all i can think of yeah there

3945
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:00,080
there's a certain part of me

3946
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:03,439
um that that says

3947
02:50:10,309 --> 02:50:07,200
if we think that this report

3948
02:50:13,349 --> 02:50:10,319
is going to say ufos are real

3949
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:13,359
e.t is here right that's going to be in

3950
02:50:18,469 --> 02:50:15,359
this report

3951
02:50:22,150 --> 02:50:18,479
nah i don't see that happening i

3952
02:50:23,429 --> 02:50:22,160
i don't no me neither i i i it's not

3953
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:23,439
gonna happen that way

3954
02:50:30,630 --> 02:50:27,359
i just don't feel it i know that so many

3955
02:50:32,630 --> 02:50:30,640
um have have have high hopes man they're

3956
02:50:35,429 --> 02:50:32,640
betting the farm on this

3957
02:50:36,309 --> 02:50:35,439
i i don't see it coming in this form i i

3958
02:50:39,670 --> 02:50:36,319
really

3959
02:50:42,150 --> 02:50:39,680
don't now then there's the other part

3960
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:42,160
you know it's like when you go to vegas

3961
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:42,960
and you

3962
02:50:47,349 --> 02:50:44,720
you make the wrong bets you make the

3963
02:50:48,790 --> 02:50:47,359
wrong bets you're always wrong

3964
02:50:51,190 --> 02:50:48,800
you make the wrong you make the wrong

3965
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:51,200
choice i should have taken that job i

3966
02:50:55,190 --> 02:50:52,560
didn't take it

3967
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:55,200
but uh you know you make it i shouldn't

3968
02:50:57,990 --> 02:50:56,800
have bought that car

3969
02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:58,000
shouldn't have done it i could have

3970
02:51:04,469 --> 02:51:00,880
bought the other one i bought this one

3971
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:04,479
you know and life is is like that right

3972
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:07,760
so in this case where

3973
02:51:14,870 --> 02:51:11,760
i'm expecting uh no mention of

3974
02:51:16,309 --> 02:51:14,880
ufo you know et is real we no

3975
02:51:19,190 --> 02:51:16,319
and then all of a sudden it does come

3976
02:51:21,750 --> 02:51:19,200
out you know it's like

3977
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:21,760
you can never win you always make the

3978
02:51:25,429 --> 02:51:23,200
opposite choice

3979
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:25,439
so i'm going to stick with i'm going to

3980
02:51:28,389 --> 02:51:26,880
stick with that there's not going to be

3981
02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:28,399
anything in this report

3982
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:31,040
and maybe i'll be wrong once again

3983
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:32,000
that's all i'm saying

3984
02:51:40,389 --> 02:51:38,080
you'll be pleasantly surprised right

3985
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:40,399
and i'll be the first one to i'll be the

3986
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:42,880
first one to eat crow

3987
02:51:46,469 --> 02:51:44,800
that's right that's right and and that's

3988
02:51:47,030 --> 02:51:46,479
fine you know i'll take that any day of

3989
02:51:49,429 --> 02:51:47,040
the week

3990
02:51:51,269 --> 02:51:49,439
rather than getting my hopes up you know

3991
02:51:53,110 --> 02:51:51,279
give my best to sherry my man

3992
02:51:55,750 --> 02:51:53,120
thank you so much and don't all right

3993
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:55,760
don't take two years next time

3994
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:57,439
all right brother i love you much i love

3995
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:59,600
you much too gabriel thank you so much

3996
02:52:02,870 --> 02:52:01,680
gabriel man i can't believe he just

3997
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:02,880
called in

3998
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:05,520
one of the coolest dudes in the history

3999
02:52:09,670 --> 02:52:06,399
of everything

4000
02:52:10,309 --> 02:52:09,680
right there and uh jimmy we are going to

4001
02:52:13,030 --> 02:52:10,319
vegas

4002
02:52:14,870 --> 02:52:13,040
at the end of the month stay positive

4003
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:14,880
with it please that's what i'm talking

4004
02:52:18,790 --> 02:52:16,160
about sherry

4005
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:18,800
all right looking forward to it hi

4006
02:52:20,950 --> 02:52:20,240
you're live on fade to block who's

4007
02:52:23,030 --> 02:52:20,960
calling

4008
02:52:24,389 --> 02:52:23,040
thank you for my support all right don't

4009
02:52:26,830 --> 02:52:24,399
take two years next time

4010
02:52:27,990 --> 02:52:26,840
okay you gotta turn me down in the

4011
02:52:31,910 --> 02:52:28,000
background

4012
02:52:39,670 --> 02:52:35,190
okay can you turn me down

4013
02:52:42,389 --> 02:52:39,680
oh yes i can okay geez

4014
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:42,399
okay how you doing i'm doing good who's

4015
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:43,840
this

4016
02:52:50,230 --> 02:52:48,479
trevor how you doing trevor

4017
02:52:52,550 --> 02:52:50,240
not bad jimmy how are you i'm doing

4018
02:52:53,110 --> 02:52:52,560
fantastic i just had travis walton on

4019
02:52:55,030 --> 02:52:53,120
for

4020
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:55,040
two and a half hours it was a perfect

4021
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:56,560
night

4022
02:53:00,150 --> 02:52:58,640
i'm so upset because i just was catching

4023
02:53:02,070 --> 02:53:00,160
the end of your show

4024
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:02,080
and uh you know his story is truly

4025
02:53:05,429 --> 02:53:04,080
phenomenal i'm sad i missed it right

4026
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:05,439
when i heard his name though i said i

4027
02:53:09,190 --> 02:53:06,880
gotta call in

4028
02:53:10,349 --> 02:53:09,200
well uh you've gotta go back and listen

4029
02:53:13,590 --> 02:53:10,359
to the show it was an

4030
02:53:16,790 --> 02:53:13,600
extraordinary conversation and

4031
02:53:19,269 --> 02:53:16,800
uh you know this is the thing trevor

4032
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:19,279
um i told everybody that we would be

4033
02:53:24,150 --> 02:53:20,720
talking about

4034
02:53:25,790 --> 02:53:24,160
anything but uh heber right we're gonna

4035
02:53:28,950 --> 02:53:25,800
talk about anything but

4036
02:53:33,510 --> 02:53:28,960
1975. there's too many things

4037
02:53:36,230 --> 02:53:33,520
uh that uh that we needed to discuss

4038
02:53:37,670 --> 02:53:36,240
because travis's thoughts and opinions

4039
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:37,680
on these subjects

4040
02:53:42,870 --> 02:53:40,160
i need to be heard and that's exactly

4041
02:53:45,030 --> 02:53:42,880
what happened tonight it was great

4042
02:53:46,710 --> 02:53:45,040
fantastic he's just a remarkable man

4043
02:53:48,790 --> 02:53:46,720
with a remarkable story

4044
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:48,800
and i think that you know hollywood

4045
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:50,560
portrayed it in a way that he didn't

4046
02:53:53,190 --> 02:53:51,359
appreciate

4047
02:53:55,030 --> 02:53:53,200
in my opinion i i don't know that for a

4048
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:55,040
fact but when you read the book and you

4049
02:53:58,469 --> 02:53:56,399
listen to him speak

4050
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:58,479
the events that he claims happened are

4051
02:54:03,990 --> 02:54:00,800
better than what the movie portrayed

4052
02:54:06,389 --> 02:54:04,000
it's truly remarkable

4053
02:54:08,870 --> 02:54:06,399
well you know he has said many times the

4054
02:54:10,870 --> 02:54:08,880
movie was out of his hands

4055
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:10,880
you know right and and just like

4056
02:54:17,030 --> 02:54:14,080
anything else once hollywood television

4057
02:54:17,990 --> 02:54:17,040
movie whatever once they get a hold of

4058
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:18,000
it

4059
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:20,720
you're at their mercy you don't have any

4060
02:54:24,070 --> 02:54:21,760
control there's

4061
02:54:26,469 --> 02:54:24,080
not he could have jumped up and down and

4062
02:54:29,269 --> 02:54:26,479
pounded his fist and yelled and screamed

4063
02:54:31,110 --> 02:54:29,279
but it wouldn't have changed anything

4064
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:31,120
and that's the way hollywood is so you

4065
02:54:34,230 --> 02:54:32,720
just have to uh

4066
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:34,240
you know cross your fingers hope for the

4067
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:36,000
best and and see

4068
02:54:39,910 --> 02:54:38,800
see what uh the end results were and it

4069
02:54:42,630 --> 02:54:39,920
turned out

4070
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:42,640
uh you know that the parts of the film

4071
02:54:47,990 --> 02:54:44,880
that travis didn't agree with and

4072
02:54:51,429 --> 02:54:48,000
and only he was there and only he knows

4073
02:54:54,550 --> 02:54:51,439
right absolutely i think he's

4074
02:54:56,950 --> 02:54:54,560
i think they count his fear maybe and in

4075
02:54:58,870 --> 02:54:56,960
the way that uh his friends were treated

4076
02:55:00,150 --> 02:54:58,880
was you know pretty accurate as far as

4077
02:55:02,550 --> 02:55:00,160
the polygraphs and

4078
02:55:03,269 --> 02:55:02,560
how they were gonna charge them with

4079
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:03,279
possibly

4080
02:55:07,269 --> 02:55:05,359
murder and all that so i think in that

4081
02:55:08,790 --> 02:55:07,279
way it was filmed okay you know and i

4082
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:08,800
think overall it was a good

4083
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:11,120
hollywood movie you know but i think a

4084
02:55:15,670 --> 02:55:12,479
lot of people don't

4085
02:55:17,590 --> 02:55:15,680
know the real story and and they look at

4086
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:17,600
that like it was this big evil

4087
02:55:22,389 --> 02:55:20,160
abduction and i i believe he thinks that

4088
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:22,399
now that they helped him

4089
02:55:25,750 --> 02:55:24,720
yeah i don't think that you know you're

4090
02:55:28,830 --> 02:55:25,760
right about that

4091
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:28,840
i don't think uh that

4092
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:32,800
he he i think how do i say this

4093
02:55:36,070 --> 02:55:35,680
i think looking back he knows now that

4094
02:55:44,550 --> 02:55:36,080
he

4095
02:55:47,510 --> 02:55:44,560
um but look how how could any of us

4096
02:55:47,830 --> 02:55:47,520
know right there's no way there's no way

4097
02:55:50,389 --> 02:55:47,840
right

4098
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:50,399
and there isn't absolutely so yeah

4099
02:55:53,429 --> 02:55:51,359
hindsight

4100
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:53,439
looking back actually was a pretty good

4101
02:55:57,670 --> 02:55:54,640
experience

4102
02:56:01,030 --> 02:55:57,680
well he it probably was

4103
02:56:03,590 --> 02:56:01,040
but at the time travis no everything

4104
02:56:06,309 --> 02:56:03,600
that you went through was justified

4105
02:56:06,790 --> 02:56:06,319
and i i you know i don't know what my

4106
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:06,800
real

4107
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:10,479
see the thing is is it's not like

4108
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:12,479
they stepped off of the craft and they

4109
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:14,160
came up to him and said hey you want to

4110
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:15,359
take a ride

4111
02:56:20,469 --> 02:56:18,720
that's not what happened you know he got

4112
02:56:22,230 --> 02:56:20,479
shocked you know something happened to

4113
02:56:25,429 --> 02:56:22,240
him he got blasted back

4114
02:56:26,150 --> 02:56:25,439
he was uh in very bad shape they

4115
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,160
realized

4116
02:56:30,790 --> 02:56:29,279
it picked him up and fixed him and so

4117
02:56:32,230 --> 02:56:30,800
everything was based off of that it

4118
02:56:34,309 --> 02:56:32,240
wasn't like they were like man

4119
02:56:36,150 --> 02:56:34,319
man we got pizza we got beer we got a

4120
02:56:38,469 --> 02:56:36,160
big screen tv

4121
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:38,479
you know come on and and you know let's

4122
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:40,560
let's have a conversation it wasn't an

4123
02:56:44,790 --> 02:56:43,920
invitation you know so yeah it was based

4124
02:56:47,349 --> 02:56:44,800
on

4125
02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:47,359
uh the trauma that he was going through

4126
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:49,200
and i could i can only imagine

4127
02:56:53,670 --> 02:56:52,240
he said many times man i was combative i

4128
02:56:57,590 --> 02:56:53,680
was not happy

4129
02:57:00,230 --> 02:56:57,600
i was ready to kick butt so there you go

4130
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,240
hey trevor enjoy the rest of your night

4131
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:02,880
man thank you for the phone call

4132
02:57:07,030 --> 02:57:04,720
jimmy have a good night man thank you

4133
02:57:08,150 --> 02:57:07,040
it's time to fade the block thank you so

4134
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:08,160
much trevor

4135
02:57:11,429 --> 02:57:09,760
what a great night tonight i want to

4136
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:11,439
thank travis walton

4137
02:57:15,910 --> 02:57:13,680
uh it was a perfect conversation it was

4138
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:15,920
a perfect night thank you so much travis

4139
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:18,560
everybody can go to travis's website it

4140
02:57:23,950 --> 02:57:19,520
is travis

4141
02:57:29,269 --> 02:57:26,230
traviswalton.com the links are

4142
02:57:31,190 --> 02:57:29,279
over at jimmychurchradio.com

4143
02:57:33,590 --> 02:57:31,200
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4144
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4149
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4151
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4153
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4154
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4162
02:58:13,670 --> 02:58:10,520
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4163
02:58:14,630 --> 02:58:13,680
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4164
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:14,640
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